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duxup ◴[] No.43581973[source]
It feels like every pick of this administration is just someone who has a motivation for corruption.
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1. danaris ◴[] No.43582324[source]
I mean, genuinely, the problem here is not that Trump is a convicted criminal. There are many people who are "convicted felons" who are far more ethical, intelligent, and possessed of better leadership qualities than he is. In particular, a) anyone convicted of nonviolent drug offenses should not be considered suspect in anything like the same way, and b) more generally, if you base your determinations of people on what's legal, you put yourself at the mercy of whatever the current government decides is acceptable. This government should make very clear why that is not the best idea in the world.

No; the problem with Trump is the specific types of laws he broke. He broke laws around honesty, fair dealing, obstruction of justice, and, of course, the integrity of elections and our democratic process. He is, very plainly, opposed to democracy and the rule of law, preferring to replace it with cronyism and nepotism.

That's why he's bad for the country, not simply "because he's a convicted criminal."

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2. duxup ◴[] No.43582357[source]
I think when people mention Trump and felon and other character issues, rapist, and so on ... it's really a reference to all of them adding up to who he is.

Less so a commentary on his list of problems.

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3. a4isms ◴[] No.43582374[source]
I suggest the simplest explanation of how Trump is different from other felons is right there in Wilhoit's observation on conservatism:

"In-groups who are protected by the law, but not bound by it, alongside out-groups who are bound by the law, but not protected by it."

He may have been convicted, but he faced no consequences. He was not bound by the law, so not only did his convictions and investigations not deter him, the lack of consequences emboldened him.

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4. amelius ◴[] No.43582394[source]
> There are many people who (...)

True, but we're talking about expectations here.

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5. nine_zeros ◴[] No.43582410[source]
> I mean, genuinely, the problem here is not that Trump is a convicted criminal. There are many people who are "convicted felons" who are far more ethical, intelligent, and possessed of better leadership qualities than he is.

Convicted criminal + blatant lies = disregard for society, disregard for people, disregard for rules/norms/laws. It all adds up to who he is and what he values and represents.

NOBODY should be surprised at this administration's disregard for society. You should be actually surprised if he does anything good/lawful.

6. joshuanapoli ◴[] No.43582428[source]
Yeah, there's some sense to the idea that one ideal kind of lawmaker is someone who has broken the laws but still remains a good person doing good things. I don't personally think that's the case with Trump, but apparently a lot of other people do.
7. _verandaguy ◴[] No.43582434[source]
I think for many of us saying this out loud (or typing it out on sites like this) is a coping mechanism.

During Trump 1, there were some adults in the room -- congress seemed to be less complacent, the cabinet appointees had more independent (and more pragmatic) judgement, and the scale of purges across the government felt like nothing compared to what's currently going on.

There's none of that now. Congress is complacent and arguably complicit in an ongoing constitutional crisis, the admin is just breaking a number of laws without even putting in the work to have plausible deniability, and with every passing day the corruption's growing to levels that many of us who've been born and raised in the modern economic west just haven't seen in a few generations.

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8. danaris ◴[] No.43582620{3}[source]
...and?

I'm sorry, I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say here.

Are you saying it's normal or acceptable to have your expectations be that a "convicted criminal" is automatically a bad person?

If so, then particularly given the large and very-well-documented racial biases in arrest, prosecution, and conviction for crimes here in the US, perhaps you should consider adjusting those expectations?

If not, then please actually say what you mean clearly.

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9. miltonlost ◴[] No.43582630[source]
> Liberals were promoting people like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who has extreme views, they were "cancelling" anyone who dares to think differently about anything: from climate to abortion or covid vaccines.

That you think we should not be "cancelling" anti-vaxxers and your implication of we should listen to anti-vaxxers (because they "dare to think differently", as if this is about their dyed hair color or something) says a lot about you. And that you use "canceling" in quotes because you can't point to a real thing "liberals" did.

> As a result they kicked off from public discourse huge groups of electorate, polarizing society.

OHHHHH, the liberals are the one who polarized society? Not Trump from the start saying these people are my enemies? Your right-wing bias is showing

> There were topics that you just could not discussed, twitter (pre Musk) was looking to it, same Facebook or Youtube (still, good luck having a monetized film with the forbidden word like Gaza Strip), similarly mainstream media.

And there are now topics that can't be discussed on Twitter (post-Musk) like the word "cisgender". And Facebook and Youtube had TONS of anti-vax misinformation, anti-abortion groups, and general right-wing algorithmic boosting. That maybe "some" topics aren't allowed then but a ton of others still are is you trying to pick one spoon out of a pile of knives and saying its full of spoons.

What other topics could not be discussed? The value of white supremacy? How homosexuality is a choice? That the Jews run the world? Be specific please.

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10. amelius ◴[] No.43582779{4}[source]
I don't know why you're attacking me, since I just responded to:

> Seriously, what does one really expect from an unethical convicted criminal?

and your subsequent comment on that.

11. skeeter2020 ◴[] No.43582797[source]
Even if I don't particularly like the individuals, it did feel like some people involved felt compelled to be there, even if they didn't really want to be... Rex Tillerson comes to mind. I can't imagine Trump's moral character sat well with a literal boy scout. John Kelly was another no-nonsense member who seemed steady & driven by a motivation that, agree with or not, was defensible vs. the current batch's motivations. Surprise - he didn't last long either.

If there are anyone on the (currently) winning side in this Congress who aren't a bunch of greedy, self-serving boot lickers they better step up soon. I can't imagine someone like John McCain would remain silent in this environment. Best case scenario: history will forget most of these assholes; if not, it will not be kind.

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12. skeeter2020 ◴[] No.43582836{3}[source]
I agree. If you could somehow describe him to a 5-yr-old (without psychologically scaring them) they would accurately sum up the zeitgeist as "he's a bad person".
13. mathgradthrow ◴[] No.43582883{3}[source]
if you have any scruples and a brain, you'll shut up until you have a chance to obstruct something really important. Its easy to replace you if you vocally oppose trump.
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14. skeeter2020 ◴[] No.43582928{3}[source]
I don't agree with or support the overall position of the GP, but feel the parts their argument you attack are not the important parts. The Dems most certainly did sabotage their own campaign. Incredibly weak leaders and they kept telling people who are really hurting and falling farther behind that "everything's great; the last 4 years have improved dramatically!" when it just wasn't the case for the exact same people Trump told he would make everything so much better. He lied, won't help them and doesn't give a shit about the vast majority of citizens, but he told them exactly what they wanted to hear. The Democrats were incredibly tone-deaf, and massively discounted 1. how many people were mad and 2. how many were willing to plug their noses and vote for Trump.
15. gnarlouse ◴[] No.43583150{4}[source]
You gotta hope.
16. Hikikomori ◴[] No.43583152[source]
Trump 1 also had no plan and most there were for their own gain in money or power, so they were ineffective and got barely nothing done. Trump 2 has the Project 2025/Curtis Yarvin plan and plenty of competent people to execute it. They prepared a shitload of executive orders and set up a system where sycophants can upload their CV to take government jobs when they fire people.

After he won I started reading more about who these people were and what they were planning to do and sold all my stocks after the inauguration, there was no way it was going to be a normal presidency, even compared to the last one.

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17. wodenokoto ◴[] No.43583174[source]
> Seriously, what does one really expect from an unethical convicted criminal?

I expected a repeat of his first term. Which honestly was quite uneventful. This is not.

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18. accrual ◴[] No.43583203[source]
Things felt pretty tame by the end of the first term, almost like the structure of the existing system kept things at bay. It feels very much so like influence from abroad is heavily affecting the current course.
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19. diggan ◴[] No.43583206[source]
> I expected a repeat of his first term

Even when the candidate speaks of people not having to vote again in the future, if they just vote for him this last time?

I mean, I'm not even in the US and probably missed a lot of stuff that happened during the election. But no one around here is surprised about what's happening now, surely most of the US population was that aware too?

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20. hackyhacky ◴[] No.43583220{4}[source]
> Are you saying it's normal or acceptable to have your expectations be that a "convicted criminal" is automatically a bad person?

I believe what the parent comment is trying to say is: someone who committed crimes in the past has evinced a lack of respect for the law, and is therefore more likely to commit crimes in the future than someone with a history of law-abiding.

"Bad person" is a value judgement, which is besides the point.

21. anon84873628 ◴[] No.43583240[source]
This was not a fair assumption that many commentators had warned against. It was clear from Project 2025 that he was going to remove career public servants who resisted his worst impulses in the first term, replacing them instead with loyalists.
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22. jjulius ◴[] No.43583264[source]
>I expected a repeat of his first term. Which honestly was quite uneventful. This is not.

They were quite candid with their intent. Aside from him casually/flippantly brushing off Project 2025 during his campaign (when it was clear that his campaign was deeply connected to it), it was tremendously obvious to anybody paying attention that things would be much different during round two, and in a more aggressive manner.

You had your head in the sand. If you voted for him, this is your fault. Damn you.

Downvotes be damned.

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23. shafyy ◴[] No.43583289{3}[source]
Yes, there was even a John Oliver episode about it
24. pjmlp ◴[] No.43583290[source]
A dictorship, unfortunately unlike many other countries this one not only is bad for its citizens, it also has a major impact on the planet.

Anyone that expects this will only last four years hasn't been paying attention on history books.

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25. Brybry ◴[] No.43583296{3}[source]
The libertarians in the Republican party, like Massie and Paul, still seem to vote [1] according to their ideology. I don't agree with their ideology but they do seem consistent. [2]

Collins, McConnell, and Murkowski have been voting against the administration for more traditional Republican policy, sometimes.[3]

Nine Republican Reps blocked H.Res 282[4] because it would have killed bipartisan H.Res 164[5] and that caused the House Republican leaders to cancel votes for the whole week.

It's not all lockstep boot licking. Just mostly.

[1] https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/202550

[2] https://xcancel.com/RepThomasMassie/status/18995193281369747...

[3] https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1...

[4] https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/202587

[5] https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-resolutio...

26. robertlagrant ◴[] No.43583323{3}[source]
> Downvotes be damned.

What's the point of phrasing this as though you're off to the gallows for your beliefs? It's an internet forum.

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27. ffsm8 ◴[] No.43583325{4}[source]
It's really surprising how few people seem to understand what working under a hostile regime actually means, and how civil disobedience can never be done publicly - because that would just mean you get replaced and can't help anymore.
28. jjulius ◴[] No.43583335{4}[source]
Just a simple acknowledgement that I am aware that my comment is unconstructive and goes against the desire/rules of this space. If I'm going to be an asshole, I usually try and acknowledge that I'm aware of it.
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29. troyvit ◴[] No.43583358[source]
That's an important distinction.

Case in point:

https://sandersinstitute.org/event/bernie-sanders-arrest-at-...

Convicted of resisting arrest.

30. __MatrixMan__ ◴[] No.43583380{3}[source]
Is that a new feeling?

I figure the people who want the US to withdraw from the global stage have been working on Trump ever since 1987 when he paid for that full page pro-tariff ad in the New York Times. Power hungry maniacs are a dime a dozen, but ones that are also hell bent on committing economic suicide are a scarce resource and need to be nurtured with care if you want them to actually do it.

It's what I'd do if the US was bullying me around. It's a well tested play (refined during the US interventions in South America in the 70's and 80's).

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31. HenryBemis ◴[] No.43583418[source]
But but but.. sir.. he went to Joe Rogan.. he had a live chat with Musk and 350m live watchers (I think _that_ was the day that Trump decided to make Musk his wing-man.. an audience of 350m live watchers is a staggering number!)

Keeping it impersonal (and only understanding/analyzing "how" the elections were won/lost), I think that "Trump didn't win". Instead "Democrats lost", took a risky bet and to quote the meme "the risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math". [0]

[0]: https://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/963/073/e2...

EDIT: I think it was Bill Burr that said on his (latest) SNL monologue "you would think that after the assassination attempt they would just give it to him" (because yes, that was a critical security failure, and so badly designed (the "security" of the event") that one could easily be tricked into thinking that it was purposeful)(a proper Hanlon's razor)

32. ryandrake ◴[] No.43583437[source]
Yea, it's not like the people who voted for (or accept) this are just going to vanish in 4 years. This is all happening because a significant number of people affirmatively vote for this to happen, plus a similar-sized number of people who don't vote, and are therefore indicating they are OK with whatever happens. This roughly 66% of eligible voters are still going to be here in 4 years.
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33. jimnotgym ◴[] No.43583459[source]
I have been told for many years that Americans needed their guns to protect them from a tyrranical government. Did they forget to rise up, or are they planning to do it later? Or did they in fact vote for him?
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34. dylan604 ◴[] No.43583460{3}[source]
The lack of repercussions from the first term all added together to give a sense of could do no wrong. Impeached twice, no convictions. Proposed the concept that a president cannot be held accountable except via conviction after impeachment. Pretty much proven true by SCOTUS.

Now, they've taken that cue and just turned the dial to an 11. There's currently very little resistance, and in the places where there is, they've just flat out ignored it. Of course the snowball is going to pick up speed

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35. lesuorac ◴[] No.43583472[source]
Isn't this term just an extension of the end of his last term?

He spent the majority of his term being blocked from doing completely problematic stuff by his staff who he increasingly fired or resigned.

He finally got the end of his term with many more yes-men and started doing things like impounding funds for Ukraine.

The first thing he does at the start of term 2 is more impoundment. Like sure, Day 1 Year 1 Trump doesn't bleed into Day 1 year 5 but Day 364 Year 4 bleeds into Day 1 Year 5 pretty well.

36. dylan604 ◴[] No.43583498{3}[source]
Define most. Less than 50% of voters voted for him. Less than 100% of the population voted.
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37. wat10000 ◴[] No.43583566[source]
One of the first things he did upon taking office in 2017 was to block a bunch of legal residents from entering the country. One of the last things he did was try to illegally hang on to power after being voted out. He did plenty of bad stuff. He tried plenty more, and got blocked or talked out of it by some of his cabinet who were vaguely reasonable. It was clear that he was not going to appoint any vaguely reasonable people to his cabinet this time around, and so he'd be basically unchecked. How was this not obvious to you?
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38. davidw ◴[] No.43583642{3}[source]
People are oblivious in this country. Totally clueless. A big part of that is the 'information ecosystem' where even the supposedly left-leaning outlets sanewashed everything that's happened and both-sidesed it, even if their reporting was factual. Then you move towards the outright propaganda like Fox and worse. And then there's social media...
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39. collingreen ◴[] No.43583740{3}[source]
The first term was just as dishonest but not as bold.

I still can't believe we had an "alternative facts" moment and that somehow that pales compared to the rest.

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40. diggan ◴[] No.43583774{4}[source]
I kind of feel like if you didn't vote for Kamala, you kind of signaled you're OK with Trump, since that's how the American two-party system forces people to act.

So all those that didn't vote, obviously didn't hate what Trump proposed enough to vote against him.

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41. polishdude20 ◴[] No.43583828{3}[source]
What did you do with the money from the stocks instead? Gold?
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42. xlinux ◴[] No.43583929{4}[source]
"ever since 1987 when he paid for that full page pro-tariff ad in the New York Times."

I didn't know this. So New York Times had no issue publishing lies for money. Everything is rotten these days

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43. ryandrake ◴[] No.43583956{3}[source]
I'm not sure what your definition of "tame" is, but mine definitely does not include "A pandemic raging through the population with leadership calling it a hoax and proposing to fight it with bleach and horse dewormer, and encouraging the population to defy public health efforts to stop it." 2017 to 2020 was a steady increase in chaos and incompetence, coming to a crescendo with COVID. And after 4 years, voters said "Yea, we want that chaos again!"
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44. amelius ◴[] No.43584011{3}[source]
It's very easy to go from democracy to dictatorship, while the other way around is a lot harder. Dictatorship is self-sustaining, while democracy needs work to keep alive.
45. dfxm12 ◴[] No.43584032[source]
Calling the longest government shutdown in US history, the Muller report, sympathetic comments towards white nationalists, deploying unmarked federal troops to arrest peaceful protestors, ethics lawsuits, family separation policy, all the Federalist society judge appointments, overturning Roe v Wade, multiple impeachments, etc., uneventful is anything but honest.

This doesn't even count the global pandemic.

Setting all that aside, everything he's done is something he campaigned on.

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48. DrillShopper ◴[] No.43584213{3}[source]
The people that scream the most about needing guns to protect them from a tyrannical government are the same that scream about backing the blue.

Those positions are diametrically opposed.

The 3rd Amendment exists for a reason. The police of colonial times _were_ the Redcoats. They _were_ soldiers working for the king. Modern police serve the same function and have basically the same powers. They are not peace officers - they are soldiers, and I hope one day the people living in this country wake up and say "no more".

49. matwood ◴[] No.43584229{5}[source]
> comment is unconstructive

I understand. It's hard to be constructive when it was so blatantly clear a second term was going to be a disaster of epic proportions and here we are.

50. moate ◴[] No.43584269{4}[source]
I think the bigger shift isn't that he wasn't this "bold" the first time, it's that there hadn't been 8 years of his form of politics not only winning but becoming the only viable form of conservatism across the government and electorate in the US.

He didn't have "his" people in place to help him the first time because much of the establishment at the time was still Romney/Bush/McCain/McConnell types and they kept a firm hand on the reigns of power and often undercut his ability to do things because they felt like he was an aberration.

This time around, there is no "primary opposition" (intraparty conflict) in any meaningful way. He wants, they do, it is truly Trump's party.

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51. moate ◴[] No.43584368{4}[source]
It's not just the sense of "could do no wrong" but "DID no wrong". Is he a Criminal who committed Crimes if he never went to jail or was he a "criminal" the same way "we all are" (this is to say, we all speed or disobey minor laws on a daily basis but that could have major repercussions if they were prosecuted to the maximum extent of the law, and doesn't it seem like The Deep State just weaponized edge cases and technicalities to entrap him?)

I don't personally buy into this framing, but it sure seems like millions of people do since points at results

52. Hikikomori ◴[] No.43584427{4}[source]
Nothing, not a particularly active or savvy investor, had most in nvidia/amd (bought both around $15) and s&p 500 index. Gold and EU arms is obvious in hindsight. Just waiting for some of this to be over and I'll buy index funds again.
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53. epiccoleman ◴[] No.43584635{5}[source]
If your prognosis is that index funds will be worth buying after this is over, doesn't that imply that they're a bargain now?
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54. rchaud ◴[] No.43584640{3}[source]
It's "uneventful" because I wasn't personally affected by it. /s
55. UncleMeat ◴[] No.43584729[source]
Trump sought to illegally install himself as president in 2021 by having fake electors deny the actual results of their state's presidential elections and just decide that Trump should win anyway. He was only prevented from doing this by a combination of organizational incompetence from his team and Mike Pence refusing to go along with the plan.

This was among the greatest threats to democratic self governance in well over a century.

I'd say that Trump 2.0 is more eventful than Trump 1.0, but I absolutely would not call Trump 1.0 uneventful.

56. wat10000 ◴[] No.43585104[source]
I'm generally in favor of giving people a chance and not just judging them based on the law regardless of morality.

But there's only one POTUS. There are multiple people out there who could do a decent job of being POTUS. Many of them are not convicted felons. We wouldn't lose much if we filtered out the entire convicted-felon category from this particular job.

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57. FireBeyond ◴[] No.43585275{3}[source]
I mean, Florida, who does not allow convicted felons to vote, allowed him to vote by saying "well, he's been convicted but not sentenced or completed his sentence so he's not fullllly convicted yet".

This rationale doesn't apply to any other person in a similar state in Florida, it was just for Trump.

58. accrual ◴[] No.43585393{4}[source]
I agree, I meant "tame" as in comparison to where we are now. The first term felt incompetent and maybe a bit malicious, but the current term feels outwardly malicious and extraordinarily corrupt.

I could put on a mask and stay at home for COVID, but I can't do much about shunning our allies, disrupting the world economy, disappearing people, electing a cabinet of highly unqualifed individuals, putting the SCOTUS in pocket, etc. I can advocate, stay informed, support my community, etc., but this feels on another level than the first term and that's what I meant by my comment.

59. danaris ◴[] No.43586710{3}[source]
Consider the situation where Trump is President, and someone is running against him.

He gets the police to arrest this opposition candidate, let's say for marijuana possession with the intent to sell (a felony), and with procedural chicanery ensures that the court trying the case is run by a Trump-appointed judge.

The opposition candidate is convicted of this charge.

Under your suggestion, they would then become ineligible to be elected.

It gets even worse if the corrupt President has a compliant Congress (which it seemed like he did for a little while, but that's less sure now). If he can ram through a new law making "criticizing the sitting President" a felony, then basically anyone who would oppose him and his regime would clearly be guilty.

In general, the sitting government decides what is a crime and what is not. If you make a law that says that those convicted of crimes cannot run for public office—either "any public office" or "only this specific public office"—then the sitting government, if it is seeking to act in its own interests rather than those of the people, has a perverse incentive to preferentially criminalize things that those who disagree with them are more likely to do, and to encourage (or coerce) bias in policing and trials to ensure conviction.

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60. pseudalopex ◴[] No.43586799{5}[source]
There is not much conservative about this reactionism. And the old guard did not have firm control in Trump's first term. But you're right almost all Republican opposition was eliminated. I would add Trump and his people were unprepared in 2016.
61. wat10000 ◴[] No.43586834{4}[source]
I did not suggest making felons ineligible for office. I'm supporting the idea that it would generally be OK for voters to reject a convicted felon candidate on the basis that they are a convicted criminal, without thinking too hard about what crime they were convicted of. I don't expect that to apply in an environment where the things you describe happen, but it would apply perfectly fine now.
62. __MatrixMan__ ◴[] No.43587178{5}[source]
Yeah, here it is: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-foreign-policy-ad/

A headline from the times during that same year: TRUMP GIVES A VAGUE HINT OF CANDIDACY (https://archive.is/xF2pW)

As much as I dislike advertising in general, and specifically the opinions in that ad, I think that whether the New York Times was willing to publish it is not the important detail here.

This was at a time when the US and China were working together to keep the USSR in check while at the same time the US was sending weapons to Taiwan so that they could be used to keep China in check. So imagine being China in 1991. The USSR has just fallen, so they're no longer a threat, but US-sold weapons are still being pointed at you from Taiwan. You'd want the US to leave you alone and stop arming your enemies. And here's this candidate who wants the US to step off the world stage and focus instead on what it can build alone at home.

It seems pretty likely that they'd be in favor of getting Trump elected. Whether they ultimately did is an open question, but if so then it's not shame on the New York Times, but shame on us for not better protecting ourselves against foreign interference.

63. davidw ◴[] No.43587538{4}[source]
For an example, look at the Fox News home page today

https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:42jq5uvg6p2shi5gqifor22e/po...

Barely mentions the stock market crash.

64. Hikikomori ◴[] No.43587580{6}[source]
Probably. But I think its only the beginning of them fucking around like this, so far its just reactions on tariffs, we haven't seen the real impact yet. And unless congress stops them they're not going to stop.
65. BenjiWiebe ◴[] No.43588261{6}[source]
Not if he expects them to keep going down as long as the current administration is in power.
66. polishdude20 ◴[] No.43590769{5}[source]
Oh so you just have it all in cash in a savings account or something?
67. wodenokoto ◴[] No.43591868{3}[source]
I don’t live in the states, so I gotta say, Trump term 1, was pretty uneventful for us except for some silly handshakes.

I wasn’t looking forward to his inauguration, but I did expect him to not care about the rest of the world for another 4 years.

68. ytpete ◴[] No.43608103{5}[source]
In a sense most advertising boils down to publishing lies for money, to some degree or another.