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    1. janwillemb ◴[] No.43513321[source]
    It is very hard to use Android without a Google account. Most people accept that. They must have learnt from that.
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    2. qrobit ◴[] No.43513348[source]
    Is it? I use Android without Google account (with services though). No app forces account on me, there's always option to sign in through other platform or directly via email.
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    3. bakugo ◴[] No.43513377[source]
    > No app forces account on me

    What apps? You can't use Google Play to download apps without an account.

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    4. bad_user ◴[] No.43513396[source]
    Android is very usable without a Google account or even Play Services. It's not convenient, you may be missing some functionality, but it's usable and alternative app stores exist.

    Huawei famously shipped devices without Google Play and many were fine with it. And Samsung's devices, AFAIK the most popular Androids, can have the Google account removed. Play stops working, but you can still use Samsung's own app store.

    That may not last, of course, Android could become closed source, but in the meantime I dare say it's strictly more open than Windows. And I hope Microsoft gets slapped by EU's DMA.

    5. jakeogh ◴[] No.43513409{3}[source]
    No google acct here, I use fdroid and the Aurora store. I have no doubt though that google is working on killing the Aurora store.

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41773781

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    6. potemkinhr ◴[] No.43514032{4}[source]
    Do banking apps work normally if downloaded from the aurora store? I'd very much like to fully degoogle my next phone when I get to replacing it, and it's the last stumbling stone
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    7. aboringusername ◴[] No.43514058[source]
    This isn't true at all. Getting a Pixel and GrapheneOS running requires no Google account (but does require the internet initially to enable OEM unlocking).

    Once GrapheneOS is installed, no further interaction with Google is required. You can happily and easily use a main profile without play services/Gapps (and Graphene allows you to block 'network' at the socket layer if you do need to use apps).

    You could then have a 'work' profile or use private space which is isolated from your main profile that uses play services/app store but it is absolutely not required.

    It _is_ a learning curve for sure, but I do not feel Google is going out of its way like Microsoft is here to make it burdensome. (In fact, Google is quite welcoming to OEM unlocking unlike some other phone manufacturers)

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    8. aboringusername ◴[] No.43514070{5}[source]
    Absolutely. You should check out the list [1] to see what banking apps are verified working with GrapheneOS. It's worth noting if your banking app isn't on this list it does not mean it will not work.

    [1]: https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa...

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    9. Cyphase ◴[] No.43514179{5}[source]
    I believe there are reasons this isn't a solution for everybody, but I just use the mobile website. Works for me, and probably a lot of people. I'd rather not have the app on my phone anyway.
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    10. magicalhippo ◴[] No.43515194{6}[source]
    I checked a couple of reports relevant to me[1][2], and both explicitly mentions Play was installed and links to the Play store for the app.

    Can one still assume one can install and operate those apps without Google Play?

    [1]: https://github.com/PrivSec-dev/banking-apps-compat-report/is...

    [2]: https://github.com/PrivSec-dev/banking-apps-compat-report/is...

    11. theandrewbailey ◴[] No.43515319[source]
    I've been running LineageOS without MindTheGapps for about 2 months. (I was using LineageOS + MindTheGapps for several years on the same phone, but recently reflashed it.) My "app stores" are Fdroid and Aptoide. Not only what I have is usable, it feels faster and doesn't slow down after a week without rebooting.

    My brother is stunned that I'm still using such an old phone (8 year old Moto). Unfortunately, no recent model Moto phones can run Lineage. My next phone will probably be a Pixel with Graphene or Lineage.

    12. hilbert42 ◴[] No.43516583[source]
    "It is very hard to use Android without a Google account."

    It depends on what type of user one is. If one wants to be spoon fed and data-raped by Google then your statement is true.

    But there are other options that make an Android smartphone both functional and viable without both a Google account and Google apps.

    Except for test accounts on test machines sans anything of any use to Google installed, I've never had a Google account and I manage perfectly well, and I've used Android since version 4.

    On rooted devices I hack Google to pieces, all Google apps are removed so is just about any other software that communicates with Google. On devices that aren't rooted, I'll disable all Google apps including Google Play Services and the Play Store, make sure a firewall is installed and that all apps except those with explicit permission are blocked from internet access and rerouted via a VPN to a nonexistent network. And so on, and so on….

    Everything I want to use works, Google software is replaced with apps from F-Droid and other sources of non-Google origin. Still, I've no trouble viewing YouTube and I do so without ads, also I've no difficulty using the Play Store and downloading apps without a Google account.

    There's really nothing that Google can offer me in addition to the third party apps and services that I already use. This phone has 215 apps installed and a second phone has 307—these apps are sourced from both F-Droid and the Play Store. Most apps however are open source/from F-Droid, etc.

    For those who don't want to go to the extremes that I have there are many halfway measures one can take to minimize Google's impact.

    BTW, in the past I've uploaded stuff to YouTube which I've done with 'dummy' test accounts.

    13. nosioptar ◴[] No.43518841{6}[source]
    I'm the same. If my bank ever requires me to install an app, I'll change banks.