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simonw ◴[] No.43464227[source]
Big day for open source Chinese model releases - DeepSeek-v3-0324 came out today too, an updated version of DeepSeek v3 now under an MIT license (previously it was a custom DeepSeek license). https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/24/deepseek/
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echelon ◴[] No.43464498[source]
Pretty soon I won't be using any American models. It'll be a 100% Chinese open source stack.

The foundation model companies are screwed. Only shovel makers (Nvidia, infra companies) and product companies are going to win.

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jsheard ◴[] No.43464607[source]
I still don't get where the money for new open source models is going to come from once setting investor dollars on fire is no longer a viable business model. Does anyone seriously expect companies to keep buying and running thousands of ungodly expensive GPUs, plus whatever they spend on human workers to do labelling/tuning, and then giving away the spoils for free, forever?
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ada1981 ◴[] No.43464673[source]
Money from the Chinese defense budget?

Everyone using these models undercuts US companies.

Eventually China wins.

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1. Imustaskforhelp ◴[] No.43464758{3}[source]
And wez the end user get open source models.

Also china doesn't have access to that many gpus because of the chips act.

And i hate it , i hate it when america sounds more communist than china who open sources their stuff because free markets.

I actually think that more countries need to invest into AI and not companies wanting profit.

This could be the decision that can impact the next century.

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2. greenavocado ◴[] No.43464902[source]
If only you knew how many terawatt hours were burned on biasing models to prevent them from becoming racist
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3. Imustaskforhelp ◴[] No.43465028[source]
To be honest, maybe I am going off topic but I wish for the level of innovation in the ai industry in the energy industry.

It feels as an outsider that very little progress is made on the energy issue. I genuinely think that ai can be accelerated so so much more if energy could be more cheap / green

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4. bee_rider ◴[] No.43465101[source]
China has allowed quite a bit of market liberalism, so it isn’t that surprising if their AI stuff is responding to the market.

But, I don’t really see the connection on the flip side. Why should proprietary AI be associated with communism? If anything I guess a communist handling of AI would also be to share the model.

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5. wenyuanyu ◴[] No.43468369{3}[source]
The cycle from idea to product is a bit too long and too costly to materialize in energy sector. And that decides the speed of innovation.
6. Imustaskforhelp ◴[] No.43468807[source]
My reasoning for proprietary AI to be associated with communism is that they aren't competing in a free market way where everyone does one thing and do its best. They are simultaneously trying to do all things internally.

For example , Chatgpt etc. self hosts them on their own gpu and they can generate 10tk/s or something.

Now there exists groq , cerebras who can do token generation of 4000 tk/s but they kind of require a open source model.

So that is why I feel its not really abiding by the true capitalist philosophy

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7. bee_rider ◴[] No.43471918{3}[source]
It seems to me like they are acting like true capitalists; they seem very happy with the idea that capital (rather than labor) gives them the right to profit. But, they don’t seem to be too attached to free-market-ism.
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8. Imustaskforhelp ◴[] No.43475765{4}[source]
I mean how is a free and open source model not a free market schism atleast in the ai world.
9. dragonwriter ◴[] No.43475800{3}[source]
> My reasoning for proprietary AI to be associated with communism is that they aren't competing in a free market way where everyone does one thing and do its best.

That seems based on a very weird idea of what capitalism and communism are; idealized free markets have very little to do with the real-world economic system for which the name “capitalism” was coined, and dis-integration where “everyone does one thing” has little to do with either capitalism or free markets, though it might be a convenient assumption for 101-level discussions of market competition where you want to avoid dealing with real-world issues like partially-overlapping markets and imperfect substitutes to assume every good exists in an isolated market of goods which compete only and exactly with the other groups in that same market in a simple way.