Qwen2.5-VL-32B: Smarter and Lighter

Big day for open source Chinese model releases - DeepSeek-v3-0324 came out today too, an updated version of DeepSeek v3 now under an MIT license (previously it was a custom DeepSeek license). https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/24/deepseek/

Pretty soon I won't be using any American models. It'll be a 100% Chinese open source stack.

The foundation model companies are screwed. Only shovel makers (Nvidia, infra companies) and product companies are going to win.

I still don't get where the money for new open source models is going to come from once setting investor dollars on fire is no longer a viable business model. Does anyone seriously expect companies to keep buying and running thousands of ungodly expensive GPUs, plus whatever they spend on human workers to do labelling/tuning, and then giving away the spoils for free, forever?

Money from the Chinese defense budget?

Everyone using these models undercuts US companies.

Eventually China wins.

And wez the end user get open source models.

Also china doesn't have access to that many gpus because of the chips act.

And i hate it , i hate it when america sounds more communist than china who open sources their stuff because free markets.

I actually think that more countries need to invest into AI and not companies wanting profit.

This could be the decision that can impact the next century.

China has allowed quite a bit of market liberalism, so it isn’t that surprising if their AI stuff is responding to the market.

But, I don’t really see the connection on the flip side. Why should proprietary AI be associated with communism? If anything I guess a communist handling of AI would also be to share the model.

My reasoning for proprietary AI to be associated with communism is that they aren't competing in a free market way where everyone does one thing and do its best. They are simultaneously trying to do all things internally.

For example , Chatgpt etc. self hosts them on their own gpu and they can generate 10tk/s or something.

Now there exists groq , cerebras who can do token generation of 4000 tk/s but they kind of require a open source model.

So that is why I feel its not really abiding by the true capitalist philosophy