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simonw ◴[] No.43464227[source]
Big day for open source Chinese model releases - DeepSeek-v3-0324 came out today too, an updated version of DeepSeek v3 now under an MIT license (previously it was a custom DeepSeek license). https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/24/deepseek/
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echelon ◴[] No.43464498[source]
Pretty soon I won't be using any American models. It'll be a 100% Chinese open source stack.

The foundation model companies are screwed. Only shovel makers (Nvidia, infra companies) and product companies are going to win.

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jsheard ◴[] No.43464607[source]
I still don't get where the money for new open source models is going to come from once setting investor dollars on fire is no longer a viable business model. Does anyone seriously expect companies to keep buying and running thousands of ungodly expensive GPUs, plus whatever they spend on human workers to do labelling/tuning, and then giving away the spoils for free, forever?
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ada1981 ◴[] No.43464673[source]
Money from the Chinese defense budget?

Everyone using these models undercuts US companies.

Eventually China wins.

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Imustaskforhelp ◴[] No.43464758{3}[source]
And wez the end user get open source models.

Also china doesn't have access to that many gpus because of the chips act.

And i hate it , i hate it when america sounds more communist than china who open sources their stuff because free markets.

I actually think that more countries need to invest into AI and not companies wanting profit.

This could be the decision that can impact the next century.

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1. greenavocado ◴[] No.43464902{4}[source]
If only you knew how many terawatt hours were burned on biasing models to prevent them from becoming racist
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2. Imustaskforhelp ◴[] No.43465028[source]
To be honest, maybe I am going off topic but I wish for the level of innovation in the ai industry in the energy industry.

It feels as an outsider that very little progress is made on the energy issue. I genuinely think that ai can be accelerated so so much more if energy could be more cheap / green

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3. wenyuanyu ◴[] No.43468369[source]
The cycle from idea to product is a bit too long and too costly to materialize in energy sector. And that decides the speed of innovation.