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I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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1009 points n1b0m | 4 comments | 19 Mar 25 11:21 UTC | HN request time: 0.873s | source
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drumhead ◴[19 Mar 25 12:41 UTC] No.43411088[source]▶
If the objective is to scare people off from going to the USA, then they're doing a magnificent job. I've heard other cases of people with green cards being arrested and put in terrible conditions, with absolutely no reason given. This woman was ready to go back home and not enter the US, but instead she was dragged through hell and only released because she was Canadian. All those with different passports get subjected to their own more oppressive and never ending hells, like being deported to a prison camp in Ecuador with no idea when you'd ever be released.

New America is absolutely terrifying.

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jajko ◴[19 Mar 25 12:56 UTC] No.43411264[source]▶
Smart immigrants shouldn't migrate to US anymore, period. Not if you have more than just very short-sighted dollar signs on your eyes. Its just plain out stupid thing to do, to be treated worse than garbage. This is how institutionalized xenophobia looks like.

The fact is, I've read very similar articles about how US treats any non-US citizens a decade or two ago. Nothing changed dramatically, people just bring these up now due to current admin. In US, if you are not a citizen, you are subhuman and treated as such, directly by government. Why the fuck would anybody with any amount of dignity cause it upon themselves willingly?

Europe can offer you tons of opportunities and treat you with dignity. Good quality of life and happiness is much easier to achieve, much less stress, your health and education of your kids will be taken care of. Or Australia. Heck, almost any other free place but current US, and many places experience much more actual personal freedom currently.

We can certainly do more than just boycott some nazi ev cars.

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pjc50 ◴[19 Mar 25 13:02 UTC] No.43411344[source]▶
As a Brit: be careful about bigging up how Europe treats immigrants, because the Mediterranean issue has really upped the brutality of immigration enforcement and has resulted in some countries making it illegal to rescue drowning people.
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1. twUewhag ◴[19 Mar 25 13:19 UTC] No.43411558[source]▶
The charges are that they facilitated trafficking by rescuing people that didn't need rescuing:

https://www.euronews.com/2023/06/30/these-people-face-20-yea...

Ironically somewhat corroborated by the photo in the article. What is the solution for Italy and Greece with these massive coast lines and islands? The refugees deliberately lose their passports. If the rescuers dumped them in a random North African country, everything would be fine. But they want to import as many as possible for ideological reasons.

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2. tpm ◴[19 Mar 25 14:48 UTC] No.43412738[source]▶
> What is the solution for Italy and Greece with these massive coast lines and islands?

The solution is to once again enable applying for asylum at the embassies and consulates. Then nobody has to drown.

> If the rescuers dumped them in a random North African country, everything would be fine.

Apart from the many people being killed by random North African country, like what is happening currently with migrants in Libya. That's not fine at all.

> But they want to import as many as possible for ideological reasons.

Humanitarian reasons, not ideological.

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3. account42 ◴[20 Mar 25 12:29 UTC] No.43422188[source]▶
> The solution is to once again enable applying for asylum at the embassies and consulates. Then nobody has to drown.

So you think if those countries don't accept everyone that wants to enter then it's ok for people to try to enter illegally? That's not how borders work.

> Apart from the many people being killed by random North African country, like what is happening currently with migrants in Libya. That's not fine at all.

They can go to a neighboring country without being "stranded" at sea where they need "rescuing".

> Humanitarian reasons, not ideological.

Humanitarian reasons do not require you to pick up people near the coast of Africa and and instead of taking them back back to where they came from bring them to ports much further away. That's purely ideological. One could even call it treasonous.

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4. tpm ◴[20 Mar 25 13:53 UTC] No.43423448{3}[source]▶
> The solution is to once again enable applying for asylum at the embassies and consulates. Then nobody has to drown. > So you think if those countries don't accept everyone that wants to enter then it's ok for people to try to enter illegally?

Right, so let's unpack this. There is no way to apply for asylum at embassies. It was previously possible, but it's not possible anymore. If you want to apply for asylum, you have to be physically present in the country where you want to apply. Since applying for asylum is legal (it's a guaranteed human right and some countries try to respect at least a subset of human rights, wonder for how long), it is also legal to enter a country for the purpose of applying for asylum, no matter what everyone else says.

> countries don't accept everyone

This is not about accepting anyone. Asylum is a totally different legal concept than migration. Asylum is granted (or not), not accepted. People that are drowning in the Med. sea are applying for asylum, if they survive. For most of them, it will not be granted, but they are exercising their rights. People have a right to apply for asylum, countries have a right to grant or refuse at will.

> They can go to a neighboring country without being "stranded" at sea where they need "rescuing".

Everyone has the right not to be killed. Just a basic respect to other human beings would be welcome at this stage.

> Humanitarian reasons do not require you to pick up people near the coast of Africa...

Yes they do, there are again legal reasons for that. The laws can be changed, but until then it is indeed the only legal thing to do. And also some people don't enjoy seeing other people drowning.