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simple10 ◴[] No.42951093[source]
I live in CA and saw a massive jump in prices when the state ordered chickens to be euthanized due to bird flu. It was also the first time I saw grocery store shelves completely empty of eggs for days at a time.

Prices for organic eggs have somewhat returned to pre-bird flu levels but the regular sales and discounts have stopped. Non-organic eggs are still significantly higher.

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1. themaninthedark ◴[] No.42951228[source]
My understanding is that free range law have recently gone into effect in CA.

Were the organic eggs already free range? That would explain the price stability there and variation of the non organic.

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2. jeffbee ◴[] No.42951337[source]
Do you mean cage-free hen regulation? This statewide regulation has been in effect since 2022.
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3. ars ◴[] No.42951640[source]
Free ranging chickens is the proximate cause of Bird Flu. Chickens get it from wild birds that land near them.

States are going to have to repeal those laws and confine chickens in sealed buildings to protect them.

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4. simple10 ◴[] No.42951741[source]
AFAIK, free-range and cage free are not heavily regulated terms like organic, which is a registered and trademark enforced term. At best they just mean the hens have a bit more room to move around. Neither of them actually mean there is no cage.

It's why we see "pasture raised" as the more premium marketing term. It still doesn't mean much without looking into the specific farm.

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5. JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.42951943{3}[source]
> Free ranging chickens is the proximate cause of Bird Flu

Source? Why is it only American free-range egg farms are being affected, while Canada and Mexico’s are being spared?

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6. ars ◴[] No.42952303{4}[source]
https://www.timesunion.com/capitol/article/cage-free-egg-bil...

"Avian flu experts have called for caution in implementing cage-free requirements, noting that poultry exposed to the outdoors have a higher risk of contracting the virus."

https://www.wattagnet.com/poultry-meat/diseases-health/avian...

"Incorporating lasers that deter wild bird populations into biosecurity protocols can help prevent the spread of highly pathogenic avian influenza (HPAI) between commercial poultry farms."

> Why is it only American free-range egg farms are being affected, while Canada and Mexico’s are being spared?

Mexico immunizes their birds, which is highly labor intensive, which they can afford due to low wages and the US can't.

Canada is far north and the infected wild birds have not gone that far in large numbers (although the numbers are increasing).

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7. thomasjudge ◴[] No.42952461{3}[source]
I would say that the H5 bird flu virus the the proximate cause of bird flu
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8. bluGill ◴[] No.42952817[source]
Real pasture raised eggs do taste better. I believe this is because the chicken get to eat bugs - store bought eggs that advertise "fed an all vegetarian diet" taste worse than regular store bought - though both are bad. (taste is of course subjective). Most store bought pasture raised eggs taste just like any other store bought egg - sure the chickens get to pasture but there are too many for them to get enough bugs in their diet.
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9. bluGill ◴[] No.42952839{5}[source]
Immunization isn't just about cost. Many countries have decided meat from vaccinated chickens are not safe to eat and the US exports a lot of chicken to those countries. We cannot vaccinate until the others will allow it.
10. pests ◴[] No.42953240[source]
Michigan just switched to cafe-free only at the start of a year due to a new law going into effect. Prices were increased around the holidays as retailers preemptively switched their stock.

Might not be well defined but I’m sure it’s defined enough to be law.

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11. bombcar ◴[] No.42953302{3}[source]
It's well known that you can change egg taste by changing chicken feed, some people swear by it.

But the more the chicken can "graze naturally" the more likely it is getting everything it wants, which may improve health and taste.

12. jeffbee ◴[] No.42953423{4}[source]
Wild birds are indeed the main way that avian influenza spreads, however `ars` is just grinding some axe of theirs. California does not have a free-range chicken regulation. Virtually all commercial chicken flocks in California are already housed indoors. The California "cage-free" regulation only enforces minimal standards against cruelty. It essentially codifies these industry guidelines: https://uepcertified.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/CF-UEP-G...
13. mikeyouse ◴[] No.42953543{3}[source]
Right - here's the summary of the changes: https://www.michigan.gov/mdard/-/media/Project/Websites/mdar...

And the specific section of the law defining 'cage free' for Michigan:

https://www.legislature.mi.gov/Laws/MCL?objectName=MCL-287-7...

There may be some flexibility in consumers' understanding of the terms, but of course the legislature has actual rules.

14. ars ◴[] No.42953773{4}[source]
Maybe I'm using the word wrong, but H5 is the root cause, while free range is the proximate cause.
15. russdill ◴[] No.42958650[source]
Certain 3rd party certification systems exist, such a https://certifiedhumane.org/