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Apple Invites

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lordofgibbons ◴[] No.42939855[source]
I really hope this fails.

Apple will use it's dominant position to create lock in like how they did with iMessage instead of cooperating with other platforms on a common standard.

Oder friends and family are surprised when they want to video call over Facetime and find it hard to believe other people's phones don't have Apple apps.

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1. alistairSH ◴[] No.42941069[source]
From the article… Guests can view and respond to an invitation using the new iPhone app or on the web without needing an iCloud+ subscription or an Apple Account

Sounds like there’s no Apple walled garden lock-in for recipients of the Invites? Only for creating/managing them?

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2. apparent ◴[] No.42941093[source]
Just creating them. You have to have an iCloud+ subscription to be able to create them. Anyone can RSVP.

When I think of people I know who have iCloud+ subscriptions, it's mostly people who thought they needed them because of the scary notifications their phones sent them about running out of their initial 5GB of storage (which of course is not enough for any modern phone).

These are not people who are going to download and figure out how to use a new invite app. They are going to keep using evite just like they always have.

There are some people who may use iCloud+ or a bundle because they like the fitness features or have a family that makes it make sense. I probably know some people like this. But I have never had a conversation with anyone about iCloud+, ever in my life. Only dealt with questions from non-tech-savvy family members who were scared about notifications that they were running out of space and needed to "upgrade" to this paid service.

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3. srockets ◴[] No.42941230[source]
Siri, what is selection bias?
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4. stephenr ◴[] No.42941849[source]
So your complaint is, "how dare they charge for a service they're offering"?

If you don't want to use it to create invitations, don't. There's zero requirement for you to have an account if others invite you to something, and it sounds kind of preposterous to complain about other people choosing to pay for a service that you can then participate with for free.

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5. etempleton ◴[] No.42941943[source]
I was actually pretty excited about this until so read it was iCloud+ only. I think it is maybe a long-term strategic mistake to lock this behind iCloud+ and also a bad omen for the direction Apple is going in. In the past this would have been a free app.

If Apple did not lock this behind iCloud+ I think it would have quickly become a standard for a lot of users and been another feather in Apple’s cap of why a user might want an iPhone. Maybe they could have added upsells like gift an Apple Card or something or made money through affiliate gift giving links or something.

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6. aidenn0 ◴[] No.42942070[source]
But lots of features are likely to be unavailable to invitees (indeed the article specifically mentions a couple) without Apple devices. Apple loves to use network effects to make people with Android phones feel like outsiders.
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7. apparent ◴[] No.42942359{3}[source]
Where in my post did I say anything like "how dare they"? I just pointed out that the people I know who have iCloud+ are not likely to download this new app and use it.

And it's obviously not likely to get anyone over the pay wall to buy iCloud+. This invitation feature has many free competitors. I don't begrudge Apple for creating this, but I won't be surprised if I keep getting evites and paperless post invites, and never an Apple Invite or whatever it's called.

8. apparent ◴[] No.42942382[source]
Before I saw it was iCloud+ only, I thought it was a sort-of clever way to get people even more locked into the ecosystem. I assumed that the shared photos would add to people's reliance on iCloud, and get some to upgrade to higher tiers to fit all their photos.

I was quite surprised to learn it wasn't free. I had heard about this "sherlocking" on Twitter but hadn't read the details. I can't think of a time when Apple Sherlocked something but didn't make it free. In fact, making it free is kind of part in parcel of Sherlocking, since that's what really kills the other business. Here, plenty of people will keep using the existing competitors because they don't want to have to pay for iCloud+.

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9. aardvarkr ◴[] No.42942459[source]
It’s a calendar invite on a web page that links to a shared photo album viewable on the web along with a linked playlist… nothing locked down here
10. klabb3 ◴[] No.42942461[source]
Yes. Exhibit A: the infamous green bubble stigma (US phenomenon only).

Also, Apple should not be in the business of making social apps. Hardware and OS is plenty lock-in aka fiefdoms as it is.

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11. GiorgioG ◴[] No.42942882[source]
The paranoia is real.
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12. wqaatwt ◴[] No.42942887[source]
What about people who actually run out of space? Or want to backup their phones?
13. igor47 ◴[] No.42943970{3}[source]
Apple has given me zero reason to trust it, and lots of reasons not to? I mean, it's a closed ecosystem. I'm not sure how this is arguable...
14. larusso ◴[] No.42944136[source]
I think they needed a new app / feature to make iCloud+ a more compelling reason for some?
15. freeAgent ◴[] No.42944398{3}[source]
I think they may have locked it behind iCloud+ because one of the big features it offers is a shared photo album, which of course utilizes iCloud. Anyone without iCloud+ is essentially going to be unable to use that feature. And yeah...it also pushes people into paying for iCloud+, though you can get on the $1/mo plan in order to access this, so it's not like it's very expensive.
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16. apparent ◴[] No.42944536{4}[source]
You get 5GB of iCloud storage for free. I figured this was a way to get people closer to/over the limit.

I get that the iCloud tiers start cheap, but having 50GB doesn't really do anything for me since it's still not big enough to back up an iPhone. And there's zero chance I'm going to start paying for a monthly service in order to get access to an evite clone that I would use a couple times a year. Maybe there are big partiers out there that would upgrade just for this, but this seems like an impending flop to me.

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17. freeAgent ◴[] No.42948877{5}[source]
I assume one could start and then cancel a subscription, though, so you could just pay about a buck every time you want to use the app. That’s a lot of friction, though.

I have iCloud+ base tier, but I use it just for iMessage, Drive, and other non-photo apps (I back up my photos to my NAS). I don’t back up my whole phone because all the data I care about is already backed up. I also like being able to use Private Relay when I want. All that is to say that for me the $1 plan is great and I still have plenty of space for shared album photos from events (which I later will move off of iCloud). But I get that I’m a pretty unusual use case.

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18. aidenn0 ◴[] No.42951623{3}[source]
Almost weekly I have someone annoyed at me because I don't have an iPhone, so they can't AirDrop or iMessage or FaceTime me.
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19. GiorgioG ◴[] No.42954337{4}[source]
Interesting, I've never gotten annoyed by my Android-loving friends/family. Even when I tried switching to Android nobody gave me static.
20. apparent ◴[] No.42957175{6}[source]
What takes up the most space in iCloud, such that the free 5GB tier isn't enough?
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21. freeAgent ◴[] No.42957357{7}[source]
Occasionally I’ll have large shared albums of photos and videos, but I always clean them up.
22. aidenn0 ◴[] No.42957572{3}[source]
> Also, Apple should not be in the business of making social apps. Hardware and OS is plenty lock-in aka fiefdoms as it is.

I have some sympathy for Apple here; they are selling a premium walled garden, and nearly all popular social apps do one or more things that are rather antithetical to their brand.