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Yi Peng 3 crossed both cables C-Lion 1 and BSC at times matching when they broke

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499 points perihelions | 9 comments | 20 Nov 24 06:56 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source | bottom
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nabla9 ◴[20 Nov 24 08:15 UTC] No.42191758[source]▶
October 2023 there was similar incident where Chinese cargo ship cut Balticonnector cable and EE-S1 cable. Chip named 'Newnew Polar Bear' under Chinese flag and Chinese company Hainan Xin Xin Yang Shipping Co, Ltd. (aka Torgmoll) with CEO named Yelena V. Maksimova, drags anchor in the seabed cutting cables. Chinese investigation claims storm was the reason, but there was no storm, just normal windy autumn weather. The ship just lowered one anchor and dragged it with engines running long time across the seabed until the anchor broke.

These things happen sometimes, ship anchors sometimes damage cables, but not this often and without serious problems in the ship. Russians are attempting plausible deniability.

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cabirum ◴[20 Nov 24 09:27 UTC] No.42192160[source]▶
After the Nordstream pipeline attacked and destroyed, its reasonable to expect shortened lifetimes for undersea cables and sattelites.
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nradov ◴[20 Nov 24 14:58 UTC] No.42194448[source]▶
Yes, this is why having a prompt satellite launch capability to replace attrition losses is now a strategic imperative. We need to be able to put up new ones in a matter of hours, not months.
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littlecranky67 ◴[20 Nov 24 18:10 UTC] No.42196625[source]▶
Why is that? Undersea cables makes way more sense - the issue is we have maritime law that allows any nation state to freely roam over important cables. During wartimes this is a complete different story - ships won't be allowed near the lines, and if they do get close they will be destoryed without prior warning. No more anchoring "accidents".
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zelphirkalt ◴[20 Nov 24 20:12 UTC] No.42197662[source]▶
Inofficially Europe is already at war, whether it wants to or not. Maybe someone needs to inofficially keep a close eye on those cables and take inofficial countermeasures against inofficial sabotage acts.
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delusional ◴[20 Nov 24 20:29 UTC] No.42197796[source]▶
No we're not. Nobody in the EU has transitioned to a wartime economy. We are helping out a strategic ally. If Ukraine falls tomorrow an cedes add territory to Russia, the EU is not going to continue fighting, because the war will be over.

That of course assumes that Putin stops at Ukraine. The point is that this isn't our war.

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1. K0balt ◴[20 Nov 24 21:08 UTC] No.42198124[source]▶
You’re in a zero lot line flat and your neighbors house is on fire. I’d be pretty motivated to help out as well, but I don’t think I’d be quite so cavalier about not being on a wartime footing. Russia has shown repeatedly throughout history that it does not honor international agreements in good faith, and that it sees military adventurism as a legitimate way to expand its borders.

After the dust settles on the Ukraine war, if Putin still has the capacity to wage war, he will not likely stop with Ukraine. It is by now obvious that a limited incursion into Poland, for example, will not spark a global thermonuclear war.

Ukrainian suffering is both the litmus test and the vaccination against nuclear escalation that Putin needs to contemplate further expansion.

Political alignments aside, if I were based in Europe I would be very, very concerned.

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2. valval ◴[20 Nov 24 21:53 UTC] No.42198505[source]▶
This is a wildly unpopular opinion after 2022, but Ukraine has nothing to do with Europe other than being in close vicinity geographically.

Ukraine is a corrupt third world country competing in the same league with Botswana and Zambia.

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3. concordDance ◴[20 Nov 24 22:31 UTC] No.42198817[source]▶
Even Botswana and Zambia aren't in the same league: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/gdp-per-capita-worldbank?...
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4. valval ◴[20 Nov 24 22:37 UTC] No.42198869{3}[source]▶
Frankly Botswana is beating Ukraine in GDP and Zambia in perceived corruption.
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5. aguaviva ◴[20 Nov 24 23:58 UTC] No.42199485[source]▶
This is a wildly unpopular opinion after 2022, but ...

False.

Ukraine not only has everything to do with Europe -- it is unequivocally European in culture, language, historical involvement and (to the extent that Russia is also considered to be unequivocally European) geography.

It isn't something one can even have an opinion about. Any more than one can have an "opinion" about India being a part of Asia.

6. aguaviva ◴[21 Nov 24 00:10 UTC] No.42199581{4}[source]▶
Frankly Botswana is beating Ukraine in GDP

Ukraine's GDP is close to 10x that of Botswana, and in the last year has grown 10 percent over that of 2022.

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7. throwawaymaths ◴[21 Nov 24 02:30 UTC] No.42200485[source]▶
Yes, and Ukraine has steadily going down in corruption since Zelenskyy. So if you actually care about corruption and aren't a concern troll, you will want to encourage the current regime and not the reverse.
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8. valval ◴[21 Nov 24 08:04 UTC] No.42202123{5}[source]▶
Try GDP per capita PPP, the measure that matters for average living conditions
9. valval ◴[21 Nov 24 08:05 UTC] No.42202129{3}[source]▶
Zelenskyy has stifled opposition and politically persecuted his enemies, actually.