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Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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577 points mooreds | 1 comments | 18 Nov 24 14:31 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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Etheryte ◴[18 Nov 24 19:49 UTC] No.42176174[source]▶
So to keep score, in the last year we've seen cables sabotaged between Finland and Germany, Lithuania and Sweden, Estonia and Sweden, Estonia and Finland. Any others I missed? You might say it's too early to call it sabotage, but the earliest two cable incidents were exactly the same, so it's hardly a coincidence at this point.
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barryrandall ◴[18 Nov 24 20:39 UTC] No.42176719[source]▶
Russia warned that they were going to do this last week. I think it's pretty reasonable to conclude that 1) this was sabotage and 2) it was Russia.
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severino ◴[18 Nov 24 21:13 UTC] No.42177112[source]▶
Hey, hold your horses. Biden also threatened to blow up the Nord-Stream 2 pipeline, yet after the sabotage, everybody said "it was Russia". Now about this incident, to be consistent, I'm inclined to think it was the Americans.
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tptacek ◴[18 Nov 24 21:16 UTC] No.42177139[source]▶
I believe at this point we have a pretty good guess as to who sabotaged the pipeline, and it wasn't the US.
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csomar ◴[19 Nov 24 01:43 UTC] No.42179336[source]▶
No we do not. Saying it with "confidence" and "authority" doesn't make true either.
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tptacek ◴[19 Nov 24 02:03 UTC] No.42179439[source]▶
Sure we do. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/11/...
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1. fractallyte ◴[19 Nov 24 07:35 UTC] No.42180862{5}[source]▶
The article's only sources are "people familiar with the operation". That's a heck of a lot to take on trust, particularly considering the increasingly disjointed relationship between Ukraine and the US, and the increasingly evident reach of the Kremlin's intelligence services and supporting propaganda machinery.