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Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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577 points mooreds | 5 comments | 18 Nov 24 14:31 UTC | HN request time: 0.643s | source
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Etheryte ◴[18 Nov 24 19:49 UTC] No.42176174[source]▶
So to keep score, in the last year we've seen cables sabotaged between Finland and Germany, Lithuania and Sweden, Estonia and Sweden, Estonia and Finland. Any others I missed? You might say it's too early to call it sabotage, but the earliest two cable incidents were exactly the same, so it's hardly a coincidence at this point.
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barryrandall ◴[18 Nov 24 20:39 UTC] No.42176719[source]▶
Russia warned that they were going to do this last week. I think it's pretty reasonable to conclude that 1) this was sabotage and 2) it was Russia.
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severino ◴[18 Nov 24 21:13 UTC] No.42177112[source]▶
Hey, hold your horses. Biden also threatened to blow up the Nord-Stream 2 pipeline, yet after the sabotage, everybody said "it was Russia". Now about this incident, to be consistent, I'm inclined to think it was the Americans.
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tptacek ◴[18 Nov 24 21:16 UTC] No.42177139[source]▶
I believe at this point we have a pretty good guess as to who sabotaged the pipeline, and it wasn't the US.
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csomar ◴[19 Nov 24 01:43 UTC] No.42179336[source]▶
No we do not. Saying it with "confidence" and "authority" doesn't make true either.
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1. tptacek ◴[19 Nov 24 02:03 UTC] No.42179439[source]▶
Sure we do. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/11/...
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2. csomar ◴[19 Nov 24 02:38 UTC] No.42179612[source]▶
The same article you link only quote "speculation" on the role of Ukraine. There is no detailed evidence of the people involved (and if some certain other agencies are involved in this).
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4. aguaviva ◴[19 Nov 24 02:55 UTC] No.42179690[source]▶
The same article you link only quote "speculation" on the role of Ukraine

It does not, and you're misreading the one sentence in the article where that word appears.

5. fractallyte ◴[19 Nov 24 07:35 UTC] No.42180862[source]▶
The article's only sources are "people familiar with the operation". That's a heck of a lot to take on trust, particularly considering the increasingly disjointed relationship between Ukraine and the US, and the increasingly evident reach of the Kremlin's intelligence services and supporting propaganda machinery.