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Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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577 points mooreds | 3 comments | 18 Nov 24 14:31 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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euroderf ◴[18 Nov 24 20:34 UTC] No.42176649[source]▶
So what's the solution ? Assign a surveillance UAV to every Russian ship parked "without a good reason" over a cable ? It would be expensive, but doable, and create a reserve of vehicles for wartime use.
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regnull ◴[18 Nov 24 20:50 UTC] No.42176841[source]▶
The solution is to project strength and hit them where they don't expect. You are dealing with a thug, not a cost/benefit accountant, as Obama seemed to mistakenly believe. As long as they do things and we respond, nothing good will happen. They have already calculated the response and found it acceptable. Instead of this, go to the mattresses. Oh, your bridge has suddenly exploded? Shame.
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petre ◴[18 Nov 24 21:01 UTC] No.42176982[source]▶
"We" already screwed their pipeline, what's left? Provide Ukraine with the means to blow up the Kerch bridge maybe? They're the ones that could legitimately do that sort of escalation.
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JumpCrisscross ◴[18 Nov 24 21:09 UTC] No.42177070[source]▶
> what's left?

The other pipelines. Their shadow oil fleet. There are lots of options. But to my knowledge, only the British, French and Americans are capable of the long-range clandestine operations.

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petre ◴[18 Nov 24 21:13 UTC] No.42177105[source]▶
Their shadow oil fleet is operated by third parties and shell companies. We are dealing with a mafia state here.

https://windward.ai/knowledge-base/illuminating-russias-shad...

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JumpCrisscross ◴[18 Nov 24 21:18 UTC] No.42177161[source]▶
> Their shadow oil fleet is operated by third parties and shell companies

Would be a shame if they started having engine troubles in the middle of the ocean.

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libertine ◴[18 Nov 24 23:17 UTC] No.42178243[source]▶
The "problem" of Western countries is that the political sphere operates under different moral compasses: like taking down a shadow fleet tanker would be a natural disaster... taking down many would mean many disasters.

The real question is, should security and defense concerns be placed on hold? If our basic freedoms and rights are being attacked, how big of a deal would be a shadow fleet tanker catastrophe?

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jojobas ◴[19 Nov 24 02:01 UTC] No.42179430{3}[source]▶
Western countries have intelligence services with sabotage departments and in general are not above blowing up things their leaders don't like.

If the CIA or US Navy don't have the technical means to blow up the Crimea bridge with plausible deniability they haven't been paying attention.

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1. petre ◴[19 Nov 24 04:44 UTC] No.42180148{4}[source]▶
Thry do but it only benefits Ukraine. So they're the ones who should blow it up, preferably with with weapons of their own in order to avoid NATO escalation. Just lke the Moskva sinking.
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2. lottin ◴[19 Nov 24 06:36 UTC] No.42180585[source]▶
How does destroying the Crimea bridge not benefit the West? They destroy our infrastructure, we destroy theirs. That's the whole idea.
3. jojobas ◴[19 Nov 24 11:44 UTC] No.42182391[source]▶
If Russian leadership doesn't change there's just no chance it will stop at Ukraine. Next those sharing your sentiment will say "it only benefits Poland".