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Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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577 points mooreds | 24 comments | 18 Nov 24 14:31 UTC | HN request time: 0.216s | source | bottom
1. bell-cot ◴[18 Nov 24 14:56 UTC] No.42172843[source]▶
It'd be nice to see stories about a western navy or two getting off its butt, and actually trying to discourage "accidents" which damage critical infrastructure.
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2. pavel_lishin ◴[18 Nov 24 14:58 UTC] No.42172868[source]▶
On the other hand, I'd rather see cables get cut than watch shells get lobbed between world powers.
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3. myworkinisgood ◴[18 Nov 24 15:01 UTC] No.42172911[source]▶
at these points, these cable cuts are more dangerous than actual bombs
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4. toss1 ◴[18 Nov 24 15:03 UTC] No.42172920[source]▶
They do already, but do need reinforcement.

>>"“We put in place a National Maritime Information Centre in about 2010 and we needed a Joint Maritime Operations Coordination Centre alongside it, because we said very firmly we have to take threats to our territorial seas and exclusive economic zone very, very seriously.

They are now in place, which is good, but they need to be really reinforced and the departments involved need to fully man them, because otherwise we are not going to be able to counter what is a very real and present threat and could cause major major damage to our nation.”" [0]

[0] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-undersea-...

5. pavel_lishin ◴[18 Nov 24 15:05 UTC] No.42172942{3}[source]▶
I'm not convinced that cutting an internet cable - even a vital one - results in more actual death and human misery than actual bombs falling on urban centers.
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6. bobnamob ◴[18 Nov 24 15:06 UTC] No.42172950{3}[source]▶
? Seriously?

Cables getting cut is only dangerous because it’s an escalation that may lead to bombs. There aren’t thousands of civilians dying because Finland doesn’t have high speed fibre to Germany.

7. matthewdgreen ◴[18 Nov 24 15:06 UTC] No.42172963{4}[source]▶
There is a point where this kind of aggression, left unchecked, may ultimately lead to actual bombs falling on urban centers. It's already happening in Ukraine. The global peace we all enjoy in the West is based on the idea that the price of aggression is higher than the benefits.
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8. SiempreViernes ◴[18 Nov 24 15:07 UTC] No.42172966{3}[source]▶
I'd prefer if the devs added resilience to network outage over having navies fight each other...

Especially as navies are just fundamentally not constructed to defend extended things like a cable: starting a war over them is the best way to ensure every cable is cut.

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9. matthewdgreen ◴[18 Nov 24 15:07 UTC] No.42172975{4}[source]▶
There is a point where this kind of aggression, left unchecked, may ultimately lead to actual bombs falling on urban centers. It's already happening in the Ukraine. The global peace we all enjoy in the West is based on the idea that the price of aggression is higher than the benefits.

Also: Internet cables today, essential power distribution cables tomorrow. Infrastructure is fragile, and human lives will eventually be at stake.

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10. SiempreViernes ◴[18 Nov 24 15:13 UTC] No.42173025{5}[source]▶
"this kind", "left unchecked", "may ultimately"; that's three levels of maybes used to defend a definitive "are more dangerous" claim, not exactly inspiring rigour.
11. pavel_lishin ◴[18 Nov 24 15:15 UTC] No.42173055{5}[source]▶
I mean, you're not wrong. And in general, this is ... high-stakes bullying. And if you let them get away with this, I agree that they'll keep pushing the boundary, even more than they already have;
12. mikeyouse ◴[18 Nov 24 15:17 UTC] No.42173082[source]▶
Alas, some would rather let criminal governments invade sovereign countries, commit acts of global sabotage and murder dissidents all over the world rather than take any action at all to dissuade them. Peace through appeasement is likely to work as well as it has at any other point in history.
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14. imp0cat ◴[18 Nov 24 15:31 UTC] No.42173269{4}[source]▶
Like it or not, somebody will have to do something about Russia, sooner or later.
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15. whythre ◴[18 Nov 24 15:32 UTC] No.42173277[source]▶
Right? Turns out having a spine is really annoying and inconvenient for the ruling class who now find themselves actually having to fend off interlopers.
16. bell-cot ◴[18 Nov 24 15:38 UTC] No.42173363[source]▶
There are quite a few response levels between "don't even bother monitoring the sabotage" and "start WWIII".
17. hdjjhhvvhga ◴[18 Nov 24 16:40 UTC] No.42174101[source]▶
As the saying goes, who lets others cut cables to have peace deserves neither and will have both taken away.
18. SiempreViernes ◴[18 Nov 24 17:36 UTC] No.42174758{5}[source]▶
Could you maybe be specific about what you mean by "somebody" doing "something"?
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19. rightbyte ◴[18 Nov 24 19:25 UTC] No.42175939[source]▶
Are you referring to the US or Russia here? Hard to tell when you talk in riddles.
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20. rightbyte ◴[18 Nov 24 19:29 UTC] No.42175975{6}[source]▶
'Somebody' is 'the US' and 'something' is 'extended suicide'.
21. heraldgeezer ◴[18 Nov 24 19:45 UTC] No.42176146[source]▶
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65309687

Russia has a programme to sabotage wind farms and communication cables in the North Sea, according to new allegations.

The details come from a joint investigation by public broadcasters in Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland.

It says Russia has a fleet of vessels disguised as fishing trawlers and research vessels in the North Sea.

22. meiraleal ◴[18 Nov 24 20:29 UTC] No.42176587[source]▶
It is time to get off your high horses and realize that western military might doesn't rule the world anymore.
23. faizmokh ◴[19 Nov 24 02:30 UTC] No.42179568{3}[source]▶
Not gonna lie. I thought of US first instead of Russia.
24. imp0cat ◴[19 Nov 24 06:22 UTC] No.42180529{6}[source]▶
Sure, let me find my crystal ball.