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irrational ◴[] No.42139106[source]
> The AGI bubble is bursting a little bit

I'm surprised that any of these companies consider what they are working on to be Artificial General Intelligences. I'm probably wrong, but my impression was AGI meant the AI is self aware like a human. An LLM hardly seems like something that will lead to self-awareness.

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jedberg ◴[] No.42139186[source]
Whether self awareness is a requirement for AGI definitely gets more into the Philosophy department than the Computer Science department. I'm not sure everyone even agrees on what AGI is, but a common test is "can it do what humans can".

For example, in this article it says it can't do coding exercises outside the training set. That would definitely be on the "AGI checklist". Basically doing anything that is outside of the training set would be on that list.

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norir ◴[] No.42139703[source]
Here is an example of a task that I do not believe this generation of LLMs can ever do but that is possible for a human: design a Turing complete programming language that is both human and machine readable and implement a self hosted compiler in this language that self compiles on existing hardware faster than any known language implementation that also self compiles. Additionally, for any syntactically or semantically invalid program, the compiler must provide an error message that points exactly to the source location of the first error that occurs in the program.

I will get excited for/scared of LLMs when they can tackle this kind of problem. But I don't believe they can because of the fundamental nature of their design, which is both backward looking (thus not better than the human state of the art) and lacks human intuition and self awareness. Or perhaps rather I believe that the prompt that would be required to get an LLM to produce such a program is a problem of at least equivalent complexity to implementing the program without an LLM.

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1. bob1029 ◴[] No.42141654[source]
This sounds like something more up the alley of linear genetic programming. There are some very interesting experiments out there that utilize UTMs (BrainFuck, Forth, et. al.) [0,1,2].

I've personally had some mild success getting these UTM variants to output their own children in a meta programming arrangement. The base program only has access to the valid instruction set of ~12 instructions per byte, while the task program has access to the full range of instructions and data per byte (256). By only training the base program, we reduce the search space by a very substantial factor. I think this would be similar to the idea of a self-hosted compiler, etc. I don't think there would be too much of a stretch to give it access to x86 instructions and a full VM once a certain amount of bootstrapping has been achieved.

[0]: https://arxiv.org/abs/2406.19108

[1]: https://github.com/kurtjd/brainfuck-evolved

[2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36120286