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purpleblue ◴[] No.41909618[source]
The sheer unadulterated racism from the past is horrifying and sickening. Sure, we still have work to do, but I'm glad we've come so far in the last few decades.
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Spooky23 ◴[] No.41911077[source]
It’s still here. We dress it up as voter ID or something similar.
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1. anonfordays ◴[] No.41911460[source]
Voter ID is not racist.
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2. defrost ◴[] No.41911488[source]
Like many such policies it's not explicitly racist .. as a procedure it simply disenfranchises some demographics more than others; lower income brackets, people that have had difficult housing and record keepng pasts, indigenous voters on reservation lands lacking mailbox addresses, etc.

It's a mystery how that appears to proportionally exclude along racial and ethnic lines but it's assuredly not that by delibrate intent.

Just a happy accident really?

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3. KingMob ◴[] No.41911544[source]
It certainly is, because the laws are passed with the intent that they won't be applied equally.

Incidentally, this is one of the things critical race theory actually talked about: how laws can be non-discriminatory on the surface, but deliberately created and applied in a discriminatory manner.

To trot out Wilhoit's Law again: "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."

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4. MandieD ◴[] No.41911673[source]
In Texas, there used to be DPS offices in most mid-sized towns and everyone just had to wait in line to get their driver’s license (principal ID for most Texans) or non-driver ID card.

Now, they’ve concentrated them into a few larger service centers that are often miles away from the cities they serve and require appointments, sometimes not available for several weeks… but with a few that spontaneously crop up at short notice.

Guess what does not work for people reliant on the meager public transportation infrastructure or getting rides from also time-strapped friends and family?

Germany, by contrast, requires every resident to register in the city or town they live in for an ID, whether they intend to vote or not, but even small towns have such an office, and as someone else pointed out, every citizen receives a letter 30 days before each election telling them exactly who/what is being voted on, where they are to go on Election Day (always a Sunday), and how to vote absentee if they’re not going to be in town that day.

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6. throwaway4736 ◴[] No.41911776[source]
It absolutely is. Go look at the racial demographics of the neighborhoods where DMVs are being opened and closed. And then ask yourself which racial groups, at large, are more likely to have time in their day to sit at an inconveniently located DMV and what party they most often vote for.
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7. Spooky23 ◴[] No.41913112[source]
Fair. It disenfranchises the poor across racial boundaries.
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8. consteval ◴[] No.41914093[source]
Poverty is not equal across racial boundaries and geography is also not equal across racial boundaries. Where you put the DPS matters, and the South is still very much segregated to some degree today. Naturally, the state government knows this and takes full advantage of it.

See also: Gerrymandering. Same concept.

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9. Spooky23 ◴[] No.41914203{3}[source]
Totally. I’m being sarcastic. :)

I’ve worked in the ID space and know how the parts work together. When I found myself widowed and having to get a passport for my son, the process of getting a replacement social security card for him was incredibly onerous. 3 different visits! Mind you this was to get a replacement cardboard card - getting survivors benefits is a simple phone call.

Multiple visits is a barrier for folks without paid time off. Physical documents is a barrier for folks without unstable housing or noncustodial parents.

It’s interesting that all of this bullshit is required to exercise your right to vote. But we have the minimal possible controls on the right to bear arms in those states.

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10. giraffe_lady ◴[] No.41915662[source]
A fun fact is that this is specifically the question the academic framework of critical race theory was formed to address. How can systems that are not explicitly racist, that may actually have racial equity as explicit goals, still create racially disparate outcomes. It's an interesting area of study! No wonder people hate it.
11. anonfordays ◴[] No.41915767[source]
>It absolutely is.

It absolutely isn't.

>Go look at the racial demographics of the neighborhoods where DMVs are being opened and closed.

In Texas (which happens to be the state people are concentration on ITT), it's rural areas and smaller towns, which are mostly White.

>And then ask yourself which racial groups, at large, are more likely to have time in their day to sit at an inconveniently located DMV and what party they most often vote for.

Texas is all appointment driven, you can schedule weeks out so you don't have to wait, and can plan accordingly like everyone else on your day off. Soft bigotry of low expectations.

12. kmeisthax ◴[] No.41915864{4}[source]
Trust me, 2A will be thrown in the trash the moment poor people or minorities start arming themselves again.
13. anonfordays ◴[] No.41916256[source]
Voter IDs are free, they do not disenfranchise the poor.
14. fzeroracer ◴[] No.41916276{3}[source]
“You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities,” Ehrlichman said. “We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”

John Ehrlichman, White House counsel and assistant to Richard Nixon