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sirolimus ◴[] No.41896949[source]
It’s incredibly sad to see threat actors attack something as altruistic as an internet library. Truly demoralizing to see such degeneracy.
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xyst ◴[] No.41897980[source]
Blame bad leadership.
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callc ◴[] No.41898098[source]
Is there a reason to blame the victim, rather than the attackers?

I’m asking seriously - did IA do shitty things that make them a worthy cause for politically/ideologically motivated hacking?

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lolinder ◴[] No.41898171[source]
I imagine they're referring to the fact that the leadership showed extremely bad judgement in deciding to pick a battle with the major publishing companies that everyone knew they would lose before it even began [0].

I don't think that justifies blaming the victim here, and from what I can see the attacker doesn't seem to be motivated by anything other than funsies, but I absolutely lost a lot of faith in their leadership when they pulled the NEL nonsense. The IA is too valuable for them to act like a young activist org—there's too much for us to lose at this point. They need to hold the ground they've won and leave the activism to other organizations.

[0] https://www.wired.com/story/internet-archive-loses-hachette-...

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1. jampekka ◴[] No.41899069[source]
> there's too much for us to lose at this point

Feeling entitled?

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2. IntelMiner ◴[] No.41899749[source]
Only if you don't care about history
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3. lolinder ◴[] No.41899870[source]
"Us" means all of humankind for hopefully many generations to come. It's not about my personal entitlement, it's that the IA serves a vital role for humanity (one which they fought hard to make permissible).
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4. jampekka ◴[] No.41901936[source]
If it's so important to us, perhaps we should support it then?

The discussion around IA nowadays seems a lot like random users ranting at open source maintainers in Github issues.

5. jampekka ◴[] No.41901992[source]
Books are not part of history?
6. mrguyorama ◴[] No.41906672[source]
IA is sooooo important we can't even undo the clusterfuck that is the disney-bought copyright system.

The black woman on the bus refusing to give up her seat was also 100% legally obviously in the wrong. IA lost not because what they were doing was morally wrong, but because each and every one of us continually refuses to agitate for the kind of change that would benefit the world.

If you want the public to have a library, you must enshrine that library's right to exist and operate in law, or it will never survive legal challenges from IP holders. Physical libraries would never be allowed to exist in modern America, not without 100 years of precedence of the first sale doctrine. You can bet your ass disney would have tried to kill such a thing. Freely watch our movies? No chance.