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The feds are coming for John Deere over the right to repair

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568 points rntn | 7 comments | 18 Oct 24 16:32 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source | bottom
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CatWChainsaw ◴[18 Oct 24 18:30 UTC] No.41882137[source]▶
The Feds are coming, and I hope they keep going and going until there isn't a single product or service left that dares dictate what you can do after the transaction is complete.
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pwillia7 ◴[18 Oct 24 18:42 UTC] No.41882261[source]▶
Say hello to your new Subscription products
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Gibbon1 ◴[18 Oct 24 18:57 UTC] No.41882376[source]▶
I've been rolling the idea around that perhaps if a product is encumbered by a subscription then it's not a first sale and the product counts as inventory. And gets taxed as such.
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1. twh270 ◴[18 Oct 24 19:12 UTC] No.41882512[source]▶
I don't know the first thing about such things, but I'll bet if companies were pushed on this they'd suddenly start asserting that it's a lease, which I think is typically taxed similarly to a sale.

I hate the "everything's a subscription" business model that's taking over everything. We'll achieve peak serfdom when the air we breathe, water we drink, and food we eat is bought on a subscription model.

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2. WarOnPrivacy ◴[18 Oct 24 20:32 UTC] No.41883206[source]▶
> I'll bet if companies were pushed on this they'd suddenly start asserting that it's a lease, which I think is typically taxed similarly to a sale.

A lease allows for the buyer to own the product, free and clear of the seller.

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3. CatWChainsaw ◴[18 Oct 24 20:42 UTC] No.41883312[source]▶
If it were feasible to charge you for your own heartbeats, companies absolutely would. Infinite growth is a poison pill idea - it brought us to where we are today, and would drag us to the future you outlined, unless the folly is abandoned.
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4. lotsofpulp ◴[18 Oct 24 21:09 UTC] No.41883512[source]▶
Not in real estate. There is technically no difference between leasing and renting, other than the things that are colloquially associated with. A lease agreement (or rental agreement) may or may not have a clause offering the borrower an opportunity to take ownership.

Rent might also refer to the price portion of a leasing agreement (or rental agreement). So in shorthand usage, “the lease” might encompass all terms of borrowing something, including the price, but “the rent” might just refer to the price.

5. Qwertious ◴[18 Oct 24 23:07 UTC] No.41884308[source]▶
Water is already a subscription model.

Food sometimes is, and honestly a more centralised food subscription system could drive down the cost of food by making demand more predictable and enabling better economy of scale.

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6. xigoi ◴[19 Oct 24 08:49 UTC] No.41886573[source]▶
How is water a subscription model? You pay for the water you take from the tap. After you take it, it’s yours.
7. datavirtue ◴[19 Oct 24 14:29 UTC] No.41887950[source]▶
Nothing wrong with growth,it's natural. The population grows and so does the money supply in turn. This is good. What is not good is when a particular company is trying to retain ALL growth of certain segments for themselves through abusive leverage.

A principle that stuck out to me as a child was that our society prioritized lower prices for consumers as a whole over the prosperity of any one company or industry.

We let companies grow to the point where they now subvert the will of the people.