FBI Crime Data Explorer

None of that changes that the disproportionate statistics about arrest and police violence stem from disproportionate criminality.

They’re reasons why that disproportionate criminality happens.

Also, that discrepancies in outcomes are caused by differences in behavior between groups isnt “well known” — and is even lied about in the US media.

> None of that changes that the disproportionate statistics about arrest and police violence stem from disproportionate criminality.

> They’re reasons why that disproportionate criminality happens

This is an extremely tautological statement, unless you misspoke.

It's not a tautology, it's a feedback loop. If a group has or is perceived to have a higher rate of criminality, they will be treated in ways which reinforce criminal tendencies and promote more criminal behavior. A "self-fulfilling prophecy", if you will.

That’s not a tautology: understanding the root cause of a problem is necessary to implement a beneficial response.

In this particular case, we need to intervene at the cultural, familial, etc levels rather than harassing police for responding to crime as it happens — or blaming them for treating groups disproportionately when those groups act disproportionately.

“De-policing” stems from ignorance (or intentional denial) of that root cause, and thus amounts to blaming the police/courts/etc for doing their job — stopping crime.

I never made any comments about de-policing, that is a projection on your part. I have personally witnessed extreme police racism growing up in a small town.

I have personally been illegally harassed by police and an entire corrupt court system, illegally charged with a crime I did not commit, and was refused a chance to appeal because my lawyer was worried the judge would be mad at her for not playing along. I was given the maximum possible jail sentence of 6 months on my first criminal offense for a crime I didn't commit. And this happens every day, disproportionately to particular demographics. You have no idea what you are talking about.

I didn’t say you did — I gave an example of how what I said is not a tautology by showing how that concept relates to policy decisions, eg de-policing versus other interventions.

Accusing me of not knowing what I’m talking about, based on your personal trauma and your stereotypes about me, isn’t a good faith reply.

Have a great day!

If you keep posting flamewar comments and personal attacks, we will ban you. You've been doing it a lot lately, and we've already warned you more than once.

These comments in particular were well over the line at which we ban an account:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38170941

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38170594

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38170565

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38170493

I'm not going to ban you for them a week after the fact, but please make sure not to do this again.

(I realize the other user was also being provocative, but that doesn't make it ok to post abusively.)

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Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes things worse.

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Noted, thanks for letting me know.