Explanations for racial discrepancies include:
- Discrimination by law enforcement
- Childhood exposure to violence
- Inability to post bail
- Socioeconomic factors
- Housing segregation
- Sociocultural factors
This is pretty well-known stuff. Please educate yourself.
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- Discrimination by law enforcement OR - Childhood exposure to violence OR - Inability to post bail OR - Socioeconomic factors OR - Housing segregation OR - Sociocultural factors
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AND
(bad personal choices)
They’re reasons why that disproportionate criminality happens.
Also, that discrepancies in outcomes are caused by differences in behavior between groups isnt “well known” — and is even lied about in the US media.
Do you seriously not understand that each of these issues lead to bad personal choices? Your comment does not seem to be made in good faith, and this is the sort of mentality that we as a society need to eradicate.
With your cited explanations, it seems to be easy to generalise and say "a black person that I meet will be more criminal than the next white person that I meet", just because of the reasons you listed, except for law enforcement & the bail thing. Which also seems wrong to me.
I'm not black but I can list several factors that contribute to my own such predispositions, such as having drug addicted parents who were not present in my life, living with extremely abusive, cultist guardians, being homeless at 16, etc. The fact of life is that we must recognize these probabilities if we have any hope of improving our own conditions, or the conditions of others.
> They’re reasons why that disproportionate criminality happens
This is an extremely tautological statement, unless you misspoke.
"Can't afford it, have to send billions to Israel and Ukraine."
But I want you to think about something in case this wasn't an intentionally racist statement: if the black population is overrepresented in crime statistics ask yourself why. The answer will fall into one of two buckets:
1. Intrinsic factors. This includes "culture", which is just a very thin veneer on racism. Believing any of these is just racism whether you realize it or not; or
2. Extrinsic factors: this is something in the environment, something external to the people involved. A big one here is socioeconomic status (ie poverty). The link between poverty and crime and has been known for thousands of years. Aristotle wrote "Poverty is the parent of crime".
In this particular case, we need to intervene at the cultural, familial, etc levels rather than harassing police for responding to crime as it happens — or blaming them for treating groups disproportionately when those groups act disproportionately.
“De-policing” stems from ignorance (or intentional denial) of that root cause, and thus amounts to blaming the police/courts/etc for doing their job — stopping crime.
The site is quite good and with easy to navigate graphs. Definitely throwing it in my bookmarks in case I ever write on the subject. Thanks!
There are many things people are mad at the US. Ukraine conflict, Israel conflict, etc. I wonder if people are flagging because it is US government adjacent.
Because this data requires serious, responsible and honest engagement, and it's tempting to use it to confirm biases.
Allow me to make a parallelism stepping aside from controversial topics. Imagine we had graphs of discovered vulnerabilities in closed source and open source software. It wouldn't surprise me if the amount of vulnerabilities discovered in open source software was way higher than those of closed source software. At first glance this may paint a terrible picture of open source, yet, if you actually engage with the subject, you would find out that the reason as to why this happens is that those vulnerabilities are found out, while they stay hidden in closed source. Yet anyone not willing to dig in that deep could point out and claim "See? Open software is terrible!"
In the same way, you can look at crime statistics by race and claim that black people in the US are terrible. This requires ignoring socioeconomic status and a whole lot of other factors, but it's really easy to ignore those and it's really easy to just point at a graph.
The data is not the problem. The way people engage with the data might very well be, this is a complex and delicate matter and it is my hope it can be dealt with in the way it deserves.
...Not that it has to be dealt with here, really, the website is pretty damn nice.
Especially when we have so much data that confirms, rather than dispels, this inevitability.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the future. Of course, I won't be around to enjoy it with you, but this guy seems like great company, so enjoy.
More correctly: "sorry, we have to give billions of dollars in handouts to the wealthy instead."
I have personally been illegally harassed by police and an entire corrupt court system, illegally charged with a crime I did not commit, and was refused a chance to appeal because my lawyer was worried the judge would be mad at her for not playing along. I was given the maximum possible jail sentence of 6 months on my first criminal offense for a crime I didn't commit. And this happens every day, disproportionately to particular demographics. You have no idea what you are talking about.
I imagine it's not in the interest of public officials to submit data which weakens their authority, undermines or invalidates their positions - and that opposite holds true too.
The data seems less than substantial because it's not thorough nor potentially accurate, even when collected. Perhaps there's substance in comparing data here to data elsewhere to highlight official intent.
It's neat they have a public-facing API.
Accusing me of not knowing what I’m talking about, based on your personal trauma and your stereotypes about me, isn’t a good faith reply.
Have a great day!
Let me know when we are allowed to spend money on socioeconomic factors. Literally the only thing holding us back from it are the disingenuous arguments people choose to believe. The same people lecturing about students paying back loans sure did turn a blind eye to PPP forgiveness. Why is that?
These comments in particular were well over the line at which we ban an account:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38170941
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38170594
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38170565
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38170493
I'm not going to ban you for them a week after the fact, but please make sure not to do this again.
(I realize the other user was also being provocative, but that doesn't make it ok to post abusively.)