“How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

Usually destroying 40% of a countries energy resource is considered an act of war but I guess if it's your ally that also spies on your top officials it's OK. /s

Please make your substantive points without snark or flamebait. This topic is obviously as inflammable as it gets.

More at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34712496

Sorry, got emotional, can't seem to be able to delete it anymore. It's extremely infuriating situation having to deal with the consequences of what a few top officials decide the world should look like and expecting at least one side to play fair.

You can't delete once there's a reply. As a hack, some people edit the message to contain only the text "deleted": it's often poor practice, but since the only reply is from dang I think it'd be okay here.

I wouldn't be surprised if Germany OKayed it (IF USA did it). Germany returning to Nord Stream would be a disaster for everybody (including Germany). Paradoxically, removing Nord Stream from the consideration helped Germany and its political situation.

I always thought it's more likely that somebody from the West did it, since from my perspective it helped West and not Russia. But what's confusing me is the rather muted reaction from Russia. If it wasn't them and if they believed it's the West, why are they so silent about it?

Off topic but I really hope you wrote "obviously inflammable" there because this is a about gas pipes blowing up

Pun intended or not, it's got me laughing

This is an interesting take, a nice way to get out of the russian gas stranglehold without losing face to the right wing & anti nuclear electorates

Gas pipes blowing up, massive disinformation campaigns, the utter hellhole that Ukraine is turning into... it's a scary, depressing time.

On the whole I hope this helps us transition into renewables quicker, so that at least there will be a silver lining.

(Conversely you might say this pushes us into burning more coal but I'd rather be an optimist)

Even if Germany OKayd it. 51% of it belongs the Swiss Holding company. You can't just go blow up some private companies assets and get away with it.

Russia does that every day on a mass scale and so far is getting away with it, unfortunately.

If US is truly behind it, the Swiss company can sue US (and perhaps Germany) and I believe they would have a chance. Certainly better chance than Ukrainians have with reparations from Russia.

Because without an indisputable evidence it would only play for "RUSSIANS DID IT" narrative, "See! Because they say it was US means it was themselves!".

No need to delete. I know these things can be intensely infuriating—all of us have some topic that hits us like that. Managing that without bursting into flames is a work-in-progress and we're all learning together (myself definitely included).

Russian propaganda machine keeps spouting lies about everything without much regard to credibility (firehose of lies), it's actually difficult to orient yourself in all the contradictory propaganda narratives.

It's just strange they keep largely silent on this, even though it seems like a golden opportunity. Why are they not attacking German society with "Americans are trying to freeze you, they blew up the pipes"?

> Russia does that every day on a mass scale and so far is getting away with it, unfortunately.

if they didn't have their nukes, then guess whether they'd "get away with it" or not.

Russian propaganda is mostly directed at internal consumption.

Pointing fingers at the americans to germany is not going to work inside germany.

Russia has an extensive network of influence campaigns within "unfriendly" countries, sponsoring parties like AfD, operating foreign language troll farms on Facebook and other networks, websites like Sputnik and "alternative media" etc. The list goes on. They absolutely do operate in Germany and try to split the society.