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“How America took out the Nord Stream pipeline”

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688 points hunglee2 | 1 comments | 08 Feb 23 12:50 UTC | HN request time: 0.275s | source
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sschueller ◴[08 Feb 23 18:36 UTC] No.34712588[source]▶
Usually destroying 40% of a countries energy resource is considered an act of war but I guess if it's your ally that also spies on your top officials it's OK. /s
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The_Colonel ◴[08 Feb 23 18:47 UTC] No.34712779[source]▶
I wouldn't be surprised if Germany OKayed it (IF USA did it). Germany returning to Nord Stream would be a disaster for everybody (including Germany). Paradoxically, removing Nord Stream from the consideration helped Germany and its political situation.

I always thought it's more likely that somebody from the West did it, since from my perspective it helped West and not Russia. But what's confusing me is the rather muted reaction from Russia. If it wasn't them and if they believed it's the West, why are they so silent about it?

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justsomehnguy ◴[08 Feb 23 19:20 UTC] No.34713339[source]▶
Because without an indisputable evidence it would only play for "RUSSIANS DID IT" narrative, "See! Because they say it was US means it was themselves!".
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The_Colonel ◴[08 Feb 23 19:23 UTC] No.34713396[source]▶
Russian propaganda machine keeps spouting lies about everything without much regard to credibility (firehose of lies), it's actually difficult to orient yourself in all the contradictory propaganda narratives.

It's just strange they keep largely silent on this, even though it seems like a golden opportunity. Why are they not attacking German society with "Americans are trying to freeze you, they blew up the pipes"?

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chii ◴[09 Feb 23 05:27 UTC] No.34720123[source]▶
Russian propaganda is mostly directed at internal consumption.

Pointing fingers at the americans to germany is not going to work inside germany.

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1. The_Colonel ◴[09 Feb 23 07:10 UTC] No.34720671[source]▶
Russia has an extensive network of influence campaigns within "unfriendly" countries, sponsoring parties like AfD, operating foreign language troll farms on Facebook and other networks, websites like Sputnik and "alternative media" etc. The list goes on. They absolutely do operate in Germany and try to split the society.