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The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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1680 points etbusch | 9 comments | 19 May 22 12:19 UTC | HN request time: 0.995s | source | bottom
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doyougnu ◴[19 May 22 17:07 UTC] No.31437263[source]▶
I recently bought a framework laptop for a daily driver when I'm not on my desktop. For context I was running NixOS on an old 2014 macbook air, and I work on the glasgow haskell compiler in my day job so I do a lot of CPU heavy tasks.

I've got to say, as long as these things are being produced I'll never go back. They are just too good and I cannot recommend them highly enough. One of the things that didn't occur to me before I bought it was that _because_ of the modular design I can switch the side the power port is on. That may not seem like much but it was a revelation the first time I sat on the couch and thought "huh I really wish this was over on that side....wait a minute!".

I've also had absolutely no problems with NixOS on my machine, even my apple earbuds easily connect via bluetooth, something that I never quite got working on my macbook.

10/10 This is damn close to my dream laptop and I'm excited a new version is on the way.

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fossuser ◴[19 May 22 21:44 UTC] No.31440557[source]▶
Does suspend work reliably? Is battery life ok? Does the trackpad suck?

I’m tempted but every time I’ve tried so far to leave Mac hardware I regret it - seems even harder now with M1 performance.

Still, the framework laptop is super cool. Might be worth trying anyway.

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1. smeej ◴[20 May 22 00:08 UTC] No.31441840[source]▶
I still haven't been able to get suspend to work on my high-spec last-gen Framework, despite following all the troubleshooting and disjointed recommendations in the forum because the company won't just publish fixes for common problems directly.

Suspend will sap 30% of my energy by morning, even in "deep" sleep, and the computer won't wake properly. The trackpad will work intermittently or really fast after sleeping.

I have to turn the thing all the way off every time I use it. Which, alright, forced asceticism. Maybe a growth opportunity.

It's just frustrating and disappointing to find out so much work has gone into making a new one instead of fixing the pile of garbage I ended up with supporting them with the first version.

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2. fossuser ◴[20 May 22 00:19 UTC] No.31441907[source]▶
Thanks for the heads up - this is exactly the kind of thing I would be annoyed about if I bought it and why I abandoned laptop linux after college.

Maybe one day, but unlikely soon as apple just accelerates their lead.

I’m happy others are buying it though and funding them - I hope they get there.

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3. csdvrx ◴[20 May 22 01:19 UTC] No.31442280[source]▶
> Suspend will sap 30% of my energy by morning, even in "deep" sleep, and the computer won't wake properly

That's just unacceptable: without wake timers (so outside "connected standby"), S0ix on a Intel 11th or 12th gen should use at most 0.7% of the battery per hour, so 7% over 10h (assuming you like long nights!). A well configured system should aim for about half as much, so between 3 and 4% over 10h.

You are getting about 5x worse power consumption during sleep than a normal modern system, and 10x worse than a well configured system.

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4. ricardonunez ◴[20 May 22 01:24 UTC] No.31442318[source]▶
One day? I have heard the same thing for almost 20 years.
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5. nrp ◴[20 May 22 01:49 UTC] No.31442448[source]▶
The consolidated steps in our setup guides on Ubuntu 22.04 and Fedora 36 should result in good standby behavior on 11th Gen Intel: https://guides.frame.work/c/Framework_Laptop#Section_How-to

Digging into the community forum should only be needed if you are using a different distro or if you want to micro-optimize beyond what is in the guides.

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6. nrp ◴[20 May 22 01:55 UTC] No.31442480[source]▶
Following our setup guides for Ubuntu 22.04 and Fedora 36 (https://guides.frame.work/c/Framework_Laptop#Section_How-to) we see around 0.8%/hour on 11th Gen and around 0.4%/hour on 12th Gen Framework Laptops in s0ix.
7. yhager ◴[20 May 22 05:59 UTC] No.31443872[source]▶
I still am unable to get resume from deep sleep to be less than 12-15 seconds. I dug the forums, contacted support, did all the things, but nothing works. If I go to s2idle it is instant, but that takes way too much battery.

Even with deep sleep the battery life feels very short. I haven't done formal tests, but I also have a macbook for work, and the difference is quite noticeable. I very often come to open the framework after a few hours of sleep and it just ran itself out of battery. This never happens with the macbook.

Don't get me wrong, I love the framework, and I love that it's "open", and fixable - so I'm willing to live with that. But just comparing it to another laptop, I'm not sure I'd give it 10 out of 10.

(I run archlinux on framework w/ 11th gen i7)

8. fsflover ◴[20 May 22 07:40 UTC] No.31444437{3}[source]▶
Suspend works flawlessly on my Librem 15 for many years. Every new hardware needs some time to get a proper support with Linux.
9. fossuser ◴[20 May 22 15:58 UTC] No.31449211[source]▶
Are you running Ubuntu, Fedora, Windows or something else?

If what you're seeing is happening on one of those three that's bad, if it's happening on Arch or something - that's not really on them imo.

A question I should have asked before, but just assumed.