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The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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1680 points etbusch | 1 comments | 19 May 22 12:19 UTC | HN request time: 0.198s | source
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sryie ◴[19 May 22 14:02 UTC] No.31434782[source]▶
I recently received my first framework laptop after being a loyal Thinkpad user for years. I am loving it so far. I run Ubuntu 22.04 daily and have not had any issues with battery life or the lid (but I do typically leave it plugged in during lunch and overnight). The expansion cards are brilliant and the keyboard is comparable to my old t-series. The aspect ratio is great for coding and I'm happy to see upgradeability is being taken seriously as promised. If I can get 5-10 years out of it like my old ThinkPads (all while upgrading piecewise along the way) I will be a fan for life.
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Goronmon ◴[19 May 22 14:10 UTC] No.31434877[source]▶
I recently received my first framework laptop after being a loyal Thinkpad user for years.

I get excited about different laptops occasionally...and then I remember that I won't have a trackpoint if I switch to a different brand, and I get disappointed. Literally happens every few months.

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pedrocr ◴[19 May 22 14:48 UTC] No.31435374[source]▶
Yep, same here. And with increasing urgency as Thinkpad quality control seems to have fallen off a cliff. Framework seems uniquely positioned to fix this though. Someone just needs to do a compatible top cover that takes Thinkpad keyboards. I'd take a stupid one without touchpad at all as I just disable it anyway. That shouldn't be too hard, it's mostly getting the plastic right and adapting the connector to the motherboard.
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csdvrx ◴[19 May 22 16:25 UTC] No.31436698[source]▶
> Yep, same here. And with increasing urgency as Thinkpad quality control seems to have fallen off a cliff.

Not really, they are among the rare laptops to still offer S3 for Linux.

And the X1 Fold is a technical marvel (working on Linux support right now, if I'm successful it may become my next toy device to try to use Linux on as a daily driver)

> Framework seems uniquely positioned to fix this though. Someone just needs to do a compatible top cover that takes Thinkpad keyboards.

This. I will buy one as soon as they make a thinkpad like keyboard [+] or the possibly to disassemble and mount a genuine Thinkpad keyboard.

+ : A keyboard qualifies as a "thinkpad keyboard" if has all of the following:

- PageUp above Left, PageDown above Right: to me, that's the most important thing ever!

- PrintScreen between right Alt and right Ctrl: very important too

- Delete above Backspace

- A trackpoint between the {G,H,B} keys with 3 buttons below the Spacebar: I'm not a trackpoint fanatic but I appreciate the precision it offers when I need it, and badly felt its absence when I tried a macbook (no, can't do!)

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Liskni_si ◴[19 May 22 19:06 UTC] No.31438733[source]▶
> A keyboard qualifies as a "thinkpad keyboard" if has all of the following:

> PageUp above Left, PageDown above Right: to me, that's the most important thing ever!

> PrintScreen between right Alt and right Ctrl: very important too

That's not a proper ThinkPad keyboard at all. That's the new 6-row fake which has 10 fewer keys than a proper ThinkPad keyboard, which is this one: https://laptopkeys.com/uploads/704_1348778226_Lenovo%20t410s...

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csdvrx ◴[19 May 22 21:03 UTC] No.31440135[source]▶
That's what available now: except on the T25, the old layout is no longer found on modern Thinkpads.

This modern layout has advantages: for example, the space between the keys makes it more comfortable to use with nails, so I no longer have to keep them short.

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1. Liskni_si ◴[19 May 22 21:36 UTC] No.31440488[source]▶
> This modern layout has advantages: for example, the space between the keys makes it more comfortable to use with nails, so I no longer have to keep them short.

Layout and the shape of keys are orthogonal concepts.

But yeah, you're right that there aren't many options these days, and the T25 is getting old. :-(