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The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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1680 points etbusch | 1 comments | 19 May 22 12:19 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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nrp ◴[19 May 22 12:23 UTC] No.31433602[source]▶
I'm happy to answer any questions around this! We've been working on this since update since we launched the product last year, so we're excited to be able to share it today.
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etbusch ◴[19 May 22 12:26 UTC] No.31433632[source]▶
Do you have any preliminary specs on how battery life differs between these and the 11th gen equivalents?
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nrp ◴[19 May 22 12:28 UTC] No.31433666[source]▶
In use battery life is largely the same, though Intel has added some additional features with 12th Gen Intel Core that can improve in-use power consumption in some scenarios. The main optimizations we were able to land were in standby power consumption. For Windows users, this means longer Modern Standby before going into Hibernate. For Linux, more importantly since hibernate is atypical, it means being able to leave your laptop unplugged for much longer when not in use.
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travisby ◴[19 May 22 12:43 UTC] No.31433842[source]▶
The standby performance was what kept me from buying a previous gen frame.work despite loving the mission and wanting to support y'all. I was holding my time until either the efficiency cores came along (if that has any improvement in standby? I'm not even sure) or if you ended up making AMD where I believe S3 sleep states still exist.

Very exciting to hear there's an improvement in this generation. Is that improvement due to intel changes, or due to frame.work changes? Can you quantify the standby improvement for linux in watts or battery % / 24h?

Does battery life significantly change between processor models?

Congrats on the refresh launch!

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nrp ◴[19 May 22 12:51 UTC] No.31433943[source]▶
This is a combination of hardware and firmware improvements by both Intel on 12th Gen Intel Core generally and us on the Framework Laptop specifically. This is with s0ix standby, and we see ~0.4%/hour typically in Fedora 36 on 5.17.6 with the settings in our setup guide: .https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Fedora+36+Installation+on+th...
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1. csdvrx ◴[19 May 22 17:20 UTC] No.31437449{3}[source]▶
> This is a combination of hardware and firmware improvements by both Intel on 12th Gen Intel Core generally and us on the Framework Laptop specifically. This is with s0ix standby, and we see ~0.4%/hour typically in Fedora 36 on 5.17.6 with the settings in our setup guide

For reference, on a Intel 11th Gen Lakefield (Lenovo X1 Fold), using a Vanilla Windows 11 Pro with the non-Lenovo Intel GPU driver downloaded from Intel Driver & Support Assistant, given the results of powercfg /sleepstudy I get a 6% of drain for 9h54 min (so about 10h) therefore 0.6%/hour in "disconnected" (no wifi activity) S0ix standby.

Before, with the official Lenovo driver, it was 0.5%/h (4h: 2% drain). I was hoping to get better results, but this isn't so bad with about 0 optimization!

S0ix has gone a long way, in both Linux and Windows.