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nrp ◴[] No.31433602[source]
I'm happy to answer any questions around this! We've been working on this since update since we launched the product last year, so we're excited to be able to share it today.
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pimterry ◴[] No.31434972[source]
What are the constraints that are blocking wider EU availability?

Right now, in Europe it's only available in a handful of countries (5 of 27). I'm in Spain, and I see I can spec a perfect machine and get it delivered just over the border in France, but I can't get the same thing delivered here just a couple of hours away, which is very surprising! My understanding was the single market & customs union etc should make going from 1 to N EU countries pretty easy.

Is this due to smoe regulatory issues, or needing to organize shipping differently for every country, or waiting to include an ñ key, or something else?

Right now, I'm very seriously looking at ordering one, renting a PO box in France and shipping the laptop here myself, which seems a bit ridiculous.

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1. dathinab ◴[] No.31435400[source]
The problem is (my guess) Logistics is hard.

Amazon might make it look easy but it really isn't (and Amazon is not available in all EU countries either!).

Logistics is more then just shipping, but also returns, repairs, availability, shipping time, shipping costs, where and how to keep stock. And this points affect each other, i.e. they might not have enough supply to sell to the whole EU market etc.

Lastly while there is a free marked in the EU if I remember correctly there are still some differences when importing things from outside into the EU depending on the country of entry. Like how to fill forms and which companies you can work with (for what prices) in given country.

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2. mhitza ◴[] No.31435493[source]
What do you mean by "Amazon is not available in all EU countries". Do you mean like a country specific TLD? Because that is true, but order and delivery is not a problem from any EU country as far as I know.
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3. ad404b8a372f2b9 ◴[] No.31437321[source]
A couple years ago it wasn't available in Portugal, don't know if it's changed.
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4. larelogio ◴[] No.31437624{3}[source]
amazon.es is the portal for Portugal, there is not a .pt
5. avar ◴[] No.31437668[source]
In my experience a significant part of Amazon's inventory isn't something they'll send outside of the "domain country", e.g. trying to send from .de or .uk (this was before Brexit) to .nl.

It just comes down to suppliers, who aren't serving customers outside of select markets for whatever reason.

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6. oblio ◴[] No.31440509[source]
If it's not localized, it might as well not exist for 95% of customers in a country.
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7. mhitza ◴[] No.31445473{3}[source]
I see that as a "market platform" problem. I used extensively amazon.de/co.uk with deliveries in Romania, in early 2010's for a bunch of things. But since then they also opened up their market to any seller, quality dropped, shipment became preferential, or 1 cart could result in 2 separate shipments.

Aside. I've seen the exact same problems with our local Amazon "competitor". As soon as they became a platform marketplace I've started using them less and less because of the same quality/delivery issues.

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8. mhitza ◴[] No.31445496{3}[source]
I expect that 20-40 years old, are able to use an English language website. Thus your made up 95% is extremely high.
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9. oblio ◴[] No.31446092{4}[source]
Yeah, until you hit the parts of the UI that aren't translated from German or have to return stuff and the vendor only communicates in German and the auto-generated emails are in German and the vendor feedback list is in German and th4 reviews are in German...

They're not ordering from amazon.com (US), they're probably ordering from amazon.de with a thin layer of English translations + autotranslations.

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10. mhitza ◴[] No.31446220{5}[source]
If you're setting your preferred language in English on the website, all further on interaction should be in English. (BTW they have multiple language dropdowns that I didn't even highlight because I'm sure old generations do not know how to use those). Lack of English translated terms isn't something I've personally encountered, and for the reviews it's true I scroll a bit further down the page to see the English reviews from .com

I've used .de very often in the past, and when I stopped using Amazon, as said in reply to someone else https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31445473 , quality dropped (among other downsides) when they allowed third party sellers and those flood the product listing pages.

With those specific suppliers (and anything that isn't fulfilled by Amazon), I expect to be possible to have the issues you're referring to. But I wouldn't clump that together with Amazon not being available in some EU countries.

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11. avar ◴[] No.31446822{4}[source]
It's not really a problem of the platform, except insofar as you'd like Amazon to only ship from their own warehouses. It's just Amazon reflecting reality on the ground in the EU.

Which is that even if it's legally a single market it's common that stores that deliver something to your door only sell their products in their own native country, or only within their local region.

12. oblio ◴[] No.31451093{6}[source]
When 70-80% of what's sold on amazon.de comes from other vendors and you can't filter those results out, what you're saying doesn't help at all.

Yes, theoretically you're right, but in practice it's useless advice.