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The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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1680 points etbusch | 10 comments | 19 May 22 12:19 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source | bottom
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nrp ◴[19 May 22 12:23 UTC] No.31433602[source]▶
I'm happy to answer any questions around this! We've been working on this since update since we launched the product last year, so we're excited to be able to share it today.
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vodkapump ◴[19 May 22 12:34 UTC] No.31433722[source]▶
I know this gets asked a lot and isn't really about this new upgraded model but..

Any news on plans for AMD models?

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capableweb ◴[19 May 22 12:49 UTC] No.31433921[source]▶
> Any news on plans for AMD models?

This is the only thing stopping me from getting a Framework laptop right now. I'd pay a premium for it as well.

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chrisseaton ◴[19 May 22 13:32 UTC] No.31434420[source]▶
Why is AMD so important to you? Are there any instruction set extensions these days that are only available on AMD? I can only think of things that are the other way around - only on Intel. And if you need something niche like some SIMD extension I guess you're running a server not a laptop?
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dont__panic ◴[19 May 22 13:38 UTC] No.31434481[source]▶
I think it goes something like this:

- no Management Engine

- chips that don't turbo boost themselves into throttling

- not supporting a company with a toxic approach to business

I believe AMD outperforms Intel when you're targeting mobile performance/battery life, rather than "moar CPU" workloads. Though that might change now that Intel is using their own approach to performance cores. Still, given the last decade of Intel development, they don't exactly have my trust that they'll execute performance cores without serious hiccups.

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1. fsflover ◴[19 May 22 13:50 UTC] No.31434632[source]▶
> no Management Engine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_PSP

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2. sascha_sl ◴[19 May 22 14:46 UTC] No.31435346[source]▶
The PSP is a lot slimmer than Intel ME. It also doesn't randomly yank traffic for specific ports from your Ethernet.
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3. fsflover ◴[19 May 22 15:08 UTC] No.31435682[source]▶
Any good link with the details?
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4. sascha_sl ◴[19 May 22 15:44 UTC] No.31436180{3}[source]▶
There was a good talk with an overview (as well as owning it) at 36c3.

https://media.ccc.de/v/36c3-10942-uncover_understand_own_-_r...

5. trinsic2 ◴[19 May 22 16:43 UTC] No.31436939[source]▶
I havent looked at the presentation yet, but are you saying the PSP, like intels ME could be doing nefarious things since its proprietary and closed? Do you have a link to information on the network capturing thing? I mean is that really a thing?

I have heard of these things before but I am not quite sure what the possibilities are. Do you have a link that can summarize what this actual means in terms of security concerns?

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6. sascha_sl ◴[19 May 22 17:06 UTC] No.31437254{3}[source]▶
CVE-2017-5689
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7. google234123 ◴[19 May 22 19:34 UTC] No.31439080{4}[source]▶
How do you know there isn't an undiscovered CVE for AMD? There's probably maybe 10x more security research focused on Intel
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8. gray_charger ◴[20 May 22 01:07 UTC] No.31442205[source]▶
AMD PSP is NOT the same as Intel ME. AMD PSP is a "trusted execution environment" (the first sentence in your link). Intel's equivalent is Intel SGX. Trusted execution environments are a security feature that does not offer remote management. It's not a privacy concern like Intel ME is.
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9. sascha_sl ◴[20 May 22 06:51 UTC] No.31444155{5}[source]▶
I don't, but they do a lot less with the PSP, especially if you're just using Ryzen Pro and not server SKUs. Intel put a web interface you can't disable with an offbrand networking gear level RCE vulnerability that needs nothing more than ethernet access into their security chip. I don't think AMD can exceed that anytime soon.
10. dont__panic ◴[27 May 22 14:09 UTC] No.31529819[source]▶
Thank you for clarifying this, all of the acronyms are difficult to reason about if you don't work with them every day.