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181 points feraligators | 3 comments | | HN request time: 0.003s | source

I've long considered leaving this country for a multitude of reasons.

I'd be curious to hear some first hand experiences of those who've made the move to Europe and what you think of the process and considerations one should make.

A few questions to start the conversation:

- Where do you live?

- What's the biggest sacrifice you had to make (i.e. pay, housing, friends, etc.)

- What have you gained?

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WallWextra ◴[] No.30074352[source]
I recently moved from the US to Berlin. I plan to return to the US.

Pros of Berlin:

- Good transport

- Bikeable

- Safe

- Cheaper than the big coastal cities in the US, with lower rent.

- Good clubbing (not my thing)

Cons of Berlin:

- Healthcare is inconvenient. Doctor's offices won't pick up the phone, and won't leave you on hold. You just have to go in person. Providers all work in small doctor-owned practices, and you get a referral runaround with huge wait times.

- The food in Germany is terrible. The quality of produce and other ingredients is very bad, and the restaurants are nothing special. One notable bright spot is the availability of vegetarian and vegan food. Also falafel and doner.

- The salaries are shockingly low. Really ask yourself if all the comforts of Europe are worth cutting your salary in 2 or 3, and that's before...

- Taxes. The top tax rate here is in the low-40s, comparable to the US, but unlike the US, the top tax bracket starts below $65k.

- Europe has an impending demographic crisis, and the social safety net they fund by plundering your paycheck probably won't be there for you when you retire.

- Stores in general suck. They have fewer, and worse products.

- Everyone still smokes here.

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1. shetill ◴[] No.30083459[source]
How safe is US compared to EU?, you can get shot in US literally anywhere. Doubt anyone doesn't have a gun there. It's true you make a lot more money there but every day is a Russian roulette.
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2. EricE ◴[] No.30103259[source]
lol - I'm always fascinated with the fixation on guns in the US. Outside of a few urban areas with brain-dead local policies that exacerbate and end up promoting it, gun violence isn't much worse than other kinds of violence combined vs. other countries. Indeed in totality the US is probably below the other averages.

I mean is there still talk of banning people in London from having a steak knife on their person while in public? Take away guns and people will use other tools to carry out violence they might be intending.

Which is the real issue - people, not the tools/weapons. Fixating on tools is easier than those pesky humans, so I get why people tend to do that.

I think it was Heinlein that popularized "an armed society is a polite society" - turns out its more than mere theory or a pithy saying: https://neonnettle.com/features/1909-a-georgia-town-once-req...

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3. shetill ◴[] No.30113035[source]
Which areas would you recommend to avoid there and which areas are good to be a SWE in?