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    shmiga ◴[] No.27430926[source]
    SEO is so broken, it's not about website content or website quality. It's about how much money you pay to some punks - "SEO experts" who are hacking a system. I'm so sick of that.
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    1. mrtksn ◴[] No.27431135[source]
    If you Google stuff like "opening hours of ..." in Turkish(probably in other languages too), since many years the search results are only news websites spamming google, including the Turkish franchise of CNN, the CNN Turk.

    The format goes like this: Lately people are searching for XYZ but is it safe to search for XYZ? What experts say for XYZ? To find out continue to read our article.

    Then it's followed by wall of text made of keywords(in sentences that don't make sense), if you are lucky there would be the opening hours(which are often not accurate) somewhere down the text.

    But that doesn't stop there. Even actual news articles are written for the consumption of the Google bot, the sentences often don't make sence, they are repeated multiple times with the synonyms of one of the words, making it into a lengthy article that doesn't have any meat beyond the title.

    I argue that the problem is not SEO experts with low ethics, the problem is the way the business is structured. SEO experts don't do it for the sake of the art but because they are paid to do it. They are paid to do it because it has a positive ROI on bringing eyeballs and people pay Google for eyeballs, then Google pays those who generate the eyeballs.

    Isn't it better for Google and everyone involved if you can't find what you are looking for, continuing your search brings more eyeballs? It's not like you are going to switch to Bing? You are also not going to abandon the internet and go to a library.

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    2. Avamander ◴[] No.27431182[source]
    > Then it's followed by wall of text made of keywords.

    I've noticed a rise of that as well. With some searches such spam is all I've received. But that's really a problem in all languages Google supports I think.

    There's even malware that infects websites and generates such content, not sure what's the point of that. Anyone knows?

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    3. vijayr02 ◴[] No.27431206[source]
    I'm guessing if even legitimate websites have similar content it's difficult to distinguish between fake and real content for an automated system?
    4. eino ◴[] No.27431364[source]
    > It's not like you are going to switch to Bing

    From personal experience, I switched to another tool (DDG) a couple of years ago. When I occasionally try Google, for 95% of common requests I'm appalled by the results: the top is only SEO garbage. For very specific and precise searches (where people are not trying to game the system), Google is still the best, though.

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    5. simonbarker87 ◴[] No.27431492[source]
    Huh, you've given me a realisation - I don't do 'generic searching' on google anymore. I hear people say "google is broken" and I always think "it's fine for me" but thats because I'm searching for specific things, error messages, function calls etc. If I am searching for general interest stuff I tend to search reddit, hacker news or some other topic specific community rather than just search google
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    6. AussieWog93 ◴[] No.27431619{3}[source]
    I just realised I do something similar - almost every term I search will have the word "Reddit" appended to it. It's not perfect, but at least the content is intended for human consumption.
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    7. lvncelot ◴[] No.27431803{4}[source]
    Same for me, `site:reddit.com` for almost everything that has to do with product recommendations or reviews.
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    8. lodovic ◴[] No.27432032[source]
    > It's not like you are going to switch to Bing?

    I changed the default search engine from Google to Bing and DDG in all browsers. Google does have better results, so sometimes I still need to use them. But for 90% of generic queries such as the weather, product information, or finding a company's website, Bing is good enough.

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    9. high_byte ◴[] No.27432147[source]
    I used DDG as primary engine for a while and it was more like 30% effective
    10. dspillett ◴[] No.27432975[source]
    I've not seen it for opening times (UK here) but the same pattern is very visible elsewhere.

    Entertainment/news sites are chock full of pages like "<whatever>, what we know so far, release date, cast, will it be renewed, has it been cancelled..." pages that spend many paragraphs saying "we know nothing, randomly plucking crap out of thin air we could guess something-or-other but that remains to be confirmed". A new news story, film, show, or even just a hint of something, and the pages go up to try capture early clicks. Irritatingly they are often not updated quickly when real information becomes available or that information changes (particularly over the last year that has affected release dates). I have several sites DNS blocked because that annoys me less than getting one of these useless/out-of-date pages more often than not when I follow one of their links.

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    11. mrtksn ◴[] No.27434191[source]
    Oh, tell me more about it. It's a painful endeavour to gather information about upcoming TV show precisely because of the tactics you described.

    BTW, news websites in question are not doing it only for opening times but for any popular search phrase they can come up. Would be such a shame if outlets like BBC, WSJ and others adopted that kind of SEO.

    12. FridayoLeary ◴[] No.27434920[source]
    I agree. Although DDG isn't exactly a bed of roses either.
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    13. jitbit ◴[] No.27435464[source]
    Me too, but DDG is using Bing under the hood though.
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    14. WarOnPrivacy ◴[] No.27435922{3}[source]
    DDG's refusal to honor booleans is putting a gun to it's own head.

    The best is minus operands acting more like plus or quotes.

    15. atatatat ◴[] No.27436186{5}[source]
    Putting this here makes it even less likely marketers will miss "gaming reddit" as part of their strategy.
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    16. fakedang ◴[] No.27445288{6}[source]
    They already do, but mods have a vested interest in keeping communities clean.
    17. DaiPlusPlus ◴[] No.27455203{3}[source]
    I thought that was just for image search?