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personlurking ◴[] No.25975086[source]
I realize this is a site about the past, but I really hope this is the future. I want an internet of specialty sites, browsable curations, diversity of offering, freedom of choice, and full of the quirky/unusual. It might have to do with growing up in the 90s and experiencing that kind of world wide web, w/o walled gardens.

Several years back, perhaps even via an HN post or comment, I came across a blog, hosted on a university network (IIRC, perhaps related to media studies). The page consisted of a group of possibly graduate students contributing some of the weirdest and most obscure media I've ever seen online. Nothing obscene and nothing seemingly new/current, so it was rather hipster in that sense, but I kick myself for not having saved the URL.

Nothing says I need to use walled gardens or get my news from the big networks, but I often feel I'm being pointed that way. In the end, I just want something different than what's usually being served up.

(It doesn't escape me that this 90's TV site is full of walled garden/big network type content of the time)

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oscargrouch ◴[] No.25976050[source]
Human societies must have a free road to organize themselves and grow in a organic way.

Unfortunately our virtual world are built in a way to addict us with content we create ourselves giving a few monopolists total control of our virtual presence.

I'm boarded in a project to think in another approach, in a way the give us more power and freedom to shape our virtual collective consciousness..

Without us figuring out a way to get us all out of this trap, i don't see a very bright future for us, and the current political and social status-quo are a clear sign of what all this is making to us.

The power and control is too concentrated in the hands of a few, and its easier than ever to pull all the strings from a couple of places.

Eg. If we have a dozens of key people to agree into some plan to permanent power and control, it will be impossible for us to take our freedom back, of course it will not look like any sort of government that we have witnessed before.

I know this is a conspiracy theory and i dont like it myself, but its pretty possible and easier to happen with all the technological status-quo and tech monopolies we have nowadays.

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jdkee ◴[] No.25976108[source]
"Human societies must have a free road to organize themselves and grow in a organic way."

How does this happen in the monoculture of the global internet, where local heterogenous subcultures (music, art, cuisine, traditions, languages) are eradicated?

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1. oscargrouch ◴[] No.25976253[source]
The globalization movement that started in the 90's, have no way back. It was the right direction to take anyway..

The question is how much resilient we are to create and cultivate local stuff over the global noise.. I'm pretty sure that despite the difficulty of the task, we can handle it..

But we must have the proper tools to make it flourish.. but my fear is that while we are figuring out all this, some big players decide to replay the titanic wars devouring their children before they get too powerful..

Its not happening yet, because there are barely no threats, but once they start to show up and become trends, i don't expect them to play nice.

And with all the power and control "they" have, it will not be like any old industry vs. newcomers we have witnessed before.

(BTW the matrix app being kicked out of peoples cell phones might be a sign of what will come)

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2. IndySun ◴[] No.25977224[source]
> The globalization movement that started in the 90's<

What was this?

3. nobody9999 ◴[] No.25978245[source]
>(BTW the matrix app being kicked out of peoples cell phones might be a sign of what will come)

Let's be precise here. The Element app was suspended from the Play Store (and restored in less than 24 hours) It was most certainly not removed from peoples' phones.

We have serious issues with the centralization of network services and we should scream loudly about it and look for ways to diminish the power that comes with that centralization.

However, making specious claims like that doesn't help. It just makes those who rail against the concentrated power of these big corporations seem deranged.

There are plenty of real issues to rail against without making shit up.

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4. oscargrouch ◴[] No.25980372[source]
So I'm glad this is not the case yet, but Apple specifically have been doing this more prominently than others and it starts with platform handicap (for instance make it almost impossible to create applications in other ways beyond their proprietary API aiming things like the Web).

FAANG's are feeling that the antitrust guillotine is near their heads, so things will be a little quiet for now, but once the dust have settled they will probably keep doing what they were doing before, unless of course a proper legal framework come to rescue.

But as the political class have more urgent matters to take care of, i think this legal sophistication we urgently need will not be a priority.