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Apple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu on macOS Big Sur

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1183 points robenkleene | 3 comments | 20 Oct 20 15:51 UTC | HN request time: 0.749s | source
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jjoonathan ◴[20 Oct 20 16:03 UTC] No.24838965[source]▶
"You don't need kernel extensions, we'll provide APIs for you! We won't abuse the power that gives us, promise!"

...and now Apple has altered the deal and we must pray they do not alter it further. Disgusting. Predictable, expected, unsurprising -- but still disgusting.

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gabereiser ◴[20 Oct 20 16:47 UTC] No.24839566[source]▶
Tim Cook's Apple Inc is really a nightmare. Sure we have sleek shiny laptops and devices that are amazingly powerful but at what cost? I still haven't found a trackpad as good as MagicTrackpad sadly otherwise I'd ditch the MacBook Pro.

To be fair to Apple though, it's their OS, they can do what they want and we agree every time we update MacOS or iOS. It's crazy to me that we basically only have 3 phone device choices, 2.15 environment choices (OS wise... Linux Desktop is crap, but getting better), and only 2 choices in GPU's, CPU's, etc...

What can we do about this?

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vinay427 ◴[20 Oct 20 16:56 UTC] No.24839683[source]▶
What is distinct about the direction of Tim Cook's Apple Inc compared to any previous Apple Inc?
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bayindirh ◴[20 Oct 20 17:01 UTC] No.24839760[source]▶
Jobs' Apple created technologies which have rooted deeply in POSIX standards and standard UNIX* conventions. If you knew UNIX(Linux/BSD/whatever), you can find the same data streams on the same places.

OS was obscure but, predictable. Different but, familiar. It had kernel extensions, logs and devices. Nothing was extremely obfuscated. It was a UNIX device but, shinier.

Now it feels like a glorified iOS box with more transparent walls. You can see some gears but can't touch them. There are only limited interfaces to some of those, which you can touch remotely but, not alter completely.

I wonder what will happen to my EXT drivers from Paragon though.

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1. Wowfunhappy ◴[20 Oct 20 17:14 UTC] No.24839918[source]▶
It's perhaps worth noting that iOS and all of its restrictions were created under Steve Jobs. And Jobs absolutely expected iOS devices to eventually replace full computers for most people; as he put it, everyone needs a car but only a few need a truck.

Where I absolutely agree with you is that under Jobs, there were no attempts to make macOS behave more like a car. Lion did borrow a handful of visual elements from iOS, but it was mostly aesthetic. Jobs was also on medical leave for much of Lion's development cycle, so I wonder if he was less involved.

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2. nicoburns ◴[20 Oct 20 17:35 UTC] No.24840172[source]▶
Indeed. I think for all his faults, Jobs was still himself a "power user". He understood why people wanted to be able to tweak things like this because he wanted to be able to this himself (even if most of the time he used an ipad).
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3. gabereiser ◴[20 Oct 20 18:31 UTC] No.24840802[source]▶
It’s been documented how irate he would get over small details. Those small details are really only seen by someone who is a power user and has a vision for what it _should_ be. Not to make excuses for his behavior but he understood technology and wanted to make it simple for everyone. That drive towards simplicity makes you have to make a choice as to what features are left to the user and what features are managed by the system. Increasingly under Cook it’s been the later.

The argument that most of this started under Jobs is valid. True. But like it was commented he was dealing with an illness and it’s unknown just how much involvement he had. This is obviously just my view of the land and my perspective is my own. YMMV.