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Apple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu on macOS Big Sur

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1183 points robenkleene | 10 comments | 20 Oct 20 15:51 UTC | HN request time: 0.422s | source | bottom
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jjoonathan ◴[20 Oct 20 16:03 UTC] No.24838965[source]▶
"You don't need kernel extensions, we'll provide APIs for you! We won't abuse the power that gives us, promise!"

...and now Apple has altered the deal and we must pray they do not alter it further. Disgusting. Predictable, expected, unsurprising -- but still disgusting.

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gabereiser ◴[20 Oct 20 16:47 UTC] No.24839566[source]▶
Tim Cook's Apple Inc is really a nightmare. Sure we have sleek shiny laptops and devices that are amazingly powerful but at what cost? I still haven't found a trackpad as good as MagicTrackpad sadly otherwise I'd ditch the MacBook Pro.

To be fair to Apple though, it's their OS, they can do what they want and we agree every time we update MacOS or iOS. It's crazy to me that we basically only have 3 phone device choices, 2.15 environment choices (OS wise... Linux Desktop is crap, but getting better), and only 2 choices in GPU's, CPU's, etc...

What can we do about this?

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1. ProAm ◴[20 Oct 20 16:54 UTC] No.24839667[source]▶
Would you use a good trackpad that connects via USB or bluetooth? Its a real question because I see a lot of comments about people not leaving the Macbook because of the trackpad even though they dislike the rest of the laptop? Seems like something that could be a product?
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2. kccqzy ◴[20 Oct 20 16:59 UTC] No.24839725[source]▶
No you wouldn't. It's not about the trackpad hardware (Apple sells a separate Bluetooth trackpad after all), but it's about the software.
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3. ucosty ◴[20 Oct 20 16:59 UTC] No.24839726[source]▶
You can already buy an external Magic Trackpad from Apple (https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MJ2R2Z/A/magic-trackpa...). Not terribly useful for a laptop unless you want to set up at a desk.
4. tapland ◴[20 Oct 20 17:01 UTC] No.24839751[source]▶
That’s called a mouse.

The trackpad is important because it’s the default interface when moving the portable computer. External devices kill that.

5. jeromenerf ◴[20 Oct 20 17:02 UTC] No.24839771[source]▶
Nah, it’s just people whining and finding excuses.
6. ProAm ◴[20 Oct 20 17:10 UTC] No.24839866[source]▶
What about the software makes it good? Ive never used a macbook so have zero experience with it.
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7. daniel-thompson ◴[20 Oct 20 17:22 UTC] No.24840010{3}[source]▶
For me, two things combine to make it feel super responsive: 1. The latency between you moving your finger(s) and seeing movement on the screen feels imperceptible. 2. There isn't any "lost" movement - if you scribble your finger around really quickly and come back to where you start, the cursor or window scroll position will be back to where it started too.
8. fsflover ◴[20 Oct 20 17:30 UTC] No.24840113{3}[source]▶
See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24700537
9. hrktb ◴[20 Oct 20 17:34 UTC] No.24840154[source]▶
The trackpad is just the saillant point.

As we(I) go deeper the "let's try linux" route, thousands more papercuts come to the surface. It's fine for specific use cases (e.g. just focusing on backend dev), it becomes worse for wider use cases.

10. passwordreset ◴[20 Oct 20 17:37 UTC] No.24840197{3}[source]▶
Spaces, the virtual desktop manager, makes it good. A few years ago, multiple desktops were accessible with a 3-finger swipe left or right. Now, when you make an app full-screen, it creates a new space to contain the app, so multiple full-screen apps are easily accessible.

Linux has a virtual desktop manager, and Windows has some 3rd-party apps that provide multiple desktops. None of those apps seem as tightly integrated and useful as this Mac OS feature.