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Pyramid of Capitalist System

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71 points mpiedrav | 16 comments | 06 Feb 20 14:27 UTC | HN request time: 0.002s | source | bottom
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k33n ◴[06 Feb 20 15:02 UTC] No.22256435[source]▶
Capitalism has raised more people out of poverty worldwide than any other system. Thank goodness for capitalism.
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commandlinefan ◴[06 Feb 20 15:04 UTC] No.22256449[source]▶
The people at the bottom of the capitalist pyramid are still better off than the people at the second-tier of the communist pyramid.
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mordae ◴[06 Feb 20 15:08 UTC] No.22256477[source]▶
For how long?
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1. LegitShady ◴[06 Feb 20 15:09 UTC] No.22256492[source]▶
Longer than the viable lifetime of a communist country.
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2. jefurii ◴[06 Feb 20 15:21 UTC] No.22256605[source]▶
It'd be nice to see an example of a socialist county that hadn't been constantly attacked and sabotaged by capitalist countries and allowed to go its own way. Then at least we'd be able to do a fairer comparison.
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3. PaulRobinson ◴[06 Feb 20 15:31 UTC] No.22256713[source]▶
France, Denmark, Finland and Sweden all qualify for most American definitions of the term "Socialist".
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4. growlist ◴[06 Feb 20 15:33 UTC] No.22256730[source]▶
'Damn those dastardly Capitalists, underhandedly delivering superior living standards!'
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5. Turing_Machine ◴[06 Feb 20 15:38 UTC] No.22256770{3}[source]▶
No, they do not. All of those countries have market economies.
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6. jefurii ◴[06 Feb 20 15:39 UTC] No.22256782{3}[source]▶
Good point. Update: "social democracy" is probably a better term here.
7. jefurii ◴[06 Feb 20 15:40 UTC] No.22256792{3}[source]▶
You mean like what the U.S. did to Central American countries during the 80s? OR Vietnam, where we overthrew a democratically elected socialist government and installed a puppet, then dropped napalm on them when the didn't like that?
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8. LegitShady ◴[06 Feb 20 15:45 UTC] No.22256846{3}[source]▶
Those are all market economies. You're are factually incorrect and trying to cover it using "American definitions". None of those places are socialist and will actively tell you so if asked.
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9. busterarm ◴[06 Feb 20 15:46 UTC] No.22256858{4}[source]▶
Don't bother, the rose emoji socialists in this country don't know the difference between socialism and social democracy.
10. growlist ◴[06 Feb 20 17:58 UTC] No.22258381{4}[source]▶
Where this falls down is that there were other capitalist countries that didn't do the bad things you describe. I challenge you to name a single experiment in communism that didn't lead to worse outcomes.
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11. mercer ◴[06 Feb 20 18:28 UTC] No.22258710{4}[source]▶
Even Lenin, of all people, argued in favor of a (regulated) market economy.

It's a weird of inverse no-true-scotsman argument. I haven't met many socialists who argue in favor of a fully centralized economy. The big discussion, I suppose, is how much should be regulated, and which parts of our society should be 'markets'.

12. solarkraft ◴[06 Feb 20 19:26 UTC] No.22259360{4}[source]▶
Not the real definition, but the definition in most americans' heads. Many probably also conflate those with communism.
13. viklove ◴[06 Feb 20 23:08 UTC] No.22261431{4}[source]▶
None of those places are capitalist either, and they will actively tell you so if asked.
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14. viklove ◴[06 Feb 20 23:09 UTC] No.22261442{5}[source]▶
Communism isn't the only alternative to capitalism, you know that right?
15. LegitShady ◴[07 Feb 20 15:45 UTC] No.22267037{5}[source]▶
This is nonsense. In fact last election the pm or Norway actively had to say that they were not socialist because Bernie kept repeating it.
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16. viklove ◴[07 Feb 20 19:44 UTC] No.22270019{6}[source]▶
Bernie never said that, only people like you. Norway follows a system of democratic socialism, which is colloquially referred to as "socialism" by some. They're definitely not capitalistic. You're just presenting the exact same strawman in a different way!

It's clear you're arguing in bad faith, so I'm just gonna leave it at that.