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71 points _mtkq | 26 comments | 06 Feb 20 14:27 UTC | HN request time: 2.682s | source | bottom
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k33n ◴[06 Feb 20 15:02 UTC] No.22256435[source]▶
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1. mordae ◴[06 Feb 20 15:08 UTC] No.22256477[source]▶
For how long?
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2. LegitShady ◴[06 Feb 20 15:09 UTC] No.22256492[source]▶
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3. lbrooks ◴[06 Feb 20 15:09 UTC] No.22256493[source]▶
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4. TOGoS ◴[06 Feb 20 15:14 UTC] No.22256529[source]▶
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5. iron0013 ◴[06 Feb 20 15:14 UTC] No.22256537[source]▶
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6. busterarm ◴[06 Feb 20 15:16 UTC] No.22256552{3}[source]▶
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7. JoeAltmaier ◴[06 Feb 20 15:17 UTC] No.22256563{3}[source]▶
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8. _jal ◴[06 Feb 20 15:19 UTC] No.22256578[source]▶
Please take your nonsense somewhere else.
9. jefurii ◴[06 Feb 20 15:21 UTC] No.22256605[source]▶
It'd be nice to see an example of a socialist county that hadn't been constantly attacked and sabotaged by capitalist countries and allowed to go its own way. Then at least we'd be able to do a fairer comparison.
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10. PaulRobinson ◴[06 Feb 20 15:31 UTC] No.22256713{3}[source]▶
France, Denmark, Finland and Sweden all qualify for most American definitions of the term "Socialist".
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11. growlist ◴[06 Feb 20 15:33 UTC] No.22256730{3}[source]▶
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12. Turing_Machine ◴[06 Feb 20 15:38 UTC] No.22256770{4}[source]▶
No, they do not. All of those countries have market economies.
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13. jefurii ◴[06 Feb 20 15:39 UTC] No.22256782{4}[source]▶
Good point. Update: "social democracy" is probably a better term here.
14. jefurii ◴[06 Feb 20 15:40 UTC] No.22256792{4}[source]▶
You mean like what the U.S. did to Central American countries during the 80s? OR Vietnam, where we overthrew a democratically elected socialist government and installed a puppet, then dropped napalm on them when the didn't like that?
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15. LegitShady ◴[06 Feb 20 15:45 UTC] No.22256846{4}[source]▶
Those are all market economies. You're are factually incorrect and trying to cover it using "American definitions". None of those places are socialist and will actively tell you so if asked.
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16. busterarm ◴[06 Feb 20 15:46 UTC] No.22256858{5}[source]▶
Don't bother, the rose emoji socialists in this country don't know the difference between socialism and social democracy.
17. TOGoS ◴[06 Feb 20 15:53 UTC] No.22256934{4}[source]▶
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18. growlist ◴[06 Feb 20 17:58 UTC] No.22258381{5}[source]▶
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19. mercer ◴[06 Feb 20 18:28 UTC] No.22258710{5}[source]▶
Even Lenin, of all people, argued in favor of a (regulated) market economy.

It's a weird of inverse no-true-scotsman argument. I haven't met many socialists who argue in favor of a fully centralized economy. The big discussion, I suppose, is how much should be regulated, and which parts of our society should be 'markets'.

20. TOGoS ◴[06 Feb 20 19:17 UTC] No.22259275{6}[source]▶
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21. solarkraft ◴[06 Feb 20 19:26 UTC] No.22259360{5}[source]▶
Not the real definition, but the definition in most americans' heads. Many probably also conflate those with communism.
22. busterarm ◴[06 Feb 20 20:01 UTC] No.22259713{7}[source]▶
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23. viklove ◴[06 Feb 20 23:08 UTC] No.22261431{5}[source]▶
None of those places are capitalist either, and they will actively tell you so if asked.
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24. viklove ◴[06 Feb 20 23:09 UTC] No.22261442{6}[source]▶
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25. LegitShady ◴[07 Feb 20 15:45 UTC] No.22267037{6}[source]▶
This is nonsense. In fact last election the pm or Norway actively had to say that they were not socialist because Bernie kept repeating it.
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26. viklove ◴[07 Feb 20 19:44 UTC] No.22270019{7}[source]▶
Bernie never said that, only people like you. Norway follows a system of democratic socialism, which is colloquially referred to as "socialism" by some. They're definitely not capitalistic. You're just presenting the exact same strawman in a different way!

It's clear you're arguing in bad faith, so I'm just gonna leave it at that.