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    mrcharles ◴[] No.1282918[source]
    Just another nail in the coffin of the usefulness of AV systems. And good riddance.

    My work computer actually has McAfee on it, which I've disabled through the registry. Don't like how slow it makes my computer.

    Education, people! It's better than buying useless feel-good software.

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    1. billybob ◴[] No.1283112[source]
    I think it's interesting to consider computer viruses and biological pathogens in terms of "optimum harmfulness."

    A cold virus's best strategy, for example, is to keep you awake coughing so your immune system is weak, make you sneeze and cough and have a runny nose so you spread germs, etc. But it shouldn't kill you, especially not before you pass it on. I've heard (did I read it in Guns, Germs and Steel?) that syphillis used to be more deadly, but that it got milder as an adaptive strategy.

    Likewise, computer viruses probably have a pain threshold they shouldn't pass. If they can do their masters' bidding without hacking you off so bad that you format the computer, they'll be more successful.

    Possibly unwarranted conclusion: computer viruses are now widespread precisely because they're Not That Bad.

    So, are they worse than antivirus software? A lot of non-geeks may be asking themselves that question today. "Dang, we got a virus one time, but it didn't keep the computer from BOOTing!"

    McAfee has just demonstrated a computer autoimmune disease.

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    2. Periodic ◴[] No.1283120[source]
    Viruses used to be largely statements and annoyances, the sort of thing a rebellious teenager would pursue as a form of computer vandalism.

    Then people realized there was money in botnets and password stealing. The goal of those viruses is to get onto your computer and stay there as long as possible. If you notice it, you'll remove it, so it is in their best interest to avoid being noticed.

    Unfortunately, a lot of them are so poorly written they are hard not to notice.

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    3. thaumaturgy ◴[] No.1283146[source]
    Well, first off, I have bad news for you: the more recent rootkits we've been seeing are doing exactly this. They are very quiet, very sneaky, very hard to remove, and they just love it when you purchase items online.

    As far as whether viruses or antivirus software are worse to deal with -- well, I have three systems in the shop so far today for virus infections that were so bad that it rendered the computer unusable. One woman told me she broke down and cried because her brand new laptop got infected yesterday and quit working just before she was supposed to do online college course work.

    Running without A/V software is exceptionally stupid at this point, even if you think you're smarter than everyone else.

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    4. smutticus ◴[] No.1283197[source]
    The last computer virus I got was the stoned virus on a DOS 6.2 machines sometime around 1989-90.

    And I never run anti-virus software. At home I have Windows, OS X and Linux boxen and not in 20 years have I had a computer virus.

    It's really all about usage patterns more than anything else.

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    5. kgermino ◴[] No.1283213{3}[source]
    You don't run AV? I'm going to bet that the last virus you know about was 89-90... Although depending on what you use your computers for your still probably ahead of the rest of us.

    EDIT:Fixed some typos

    6. jacquesm ◴[] No.1283351{3}[source]
    That's like saying that having sex without a condom is safe as long as you have certain 'usage patterns'.

    Chances are you have contracted something, but just don't know about it.

    The OS X and linux boxes are pretty safe, but if you use your windows machines online you're bound to have been bitten by drive by malware at least once.

    Unless those machines have never been used to surf the web.

    Even very reputable sites have had bad cases of advertising injected malware, in some of the most unlikely delivery vehicles.

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    7. msbarnett ◴[] No.1283360{3}[source]
    If you haven't run av in 20 years, one wonders what you base the claim of not having had a virus in 20 years on.
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    8. chrisbolt ◴[] No.1283440{3}[source]
    I never ran anti-virus software, until I was at a friend's house and added his shared printer and Windows helpfully downloaded the virus-infected drivers from his PC...
    9. wglb ◴[] No.1283484[source]
    To computer viruses and biological pathogens, add virus scanners--that model holds. For example, if this incident causes sufficient negative publicity for McAfee, then perhaps it could disappear.

    Does anyone recall the Michelangelo virus? One of the virus detection programs special release for that wiped the boot sector of every drive it was installed on. I think it is fair to say that in that case, the anti caused more monetary loss that the virus.

    10. kentosi ◴[] No.1283560{4}[source]
    The comment probably should've been rephrased as "i haven't been hampered by any virus in 20 years".
    11. ggchappell ◴[] No.1283724[source]
    > McAfee has just demonstrated a computer autoimmune disease.

    My goodness, what a fascinating idea. (And a search suggests the you are the first person in all of history to think of that.)

    When will the biological parallels end? Will we someday get viral transmission of OS code snippets from one machine to another, leading to improved OSs? The mind boggles ....

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    12. SapphireSun ◴[] No.1284041[source]
    Sounds reasonable. Maybe a virus will carry a usable Windows API into *nix so windows viruses can do something? I know this wouldn't work at first glance, but there's probably something along those lines....
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    13. donaq ◴[] No.1284083{4}[source]
    That's like saying that having sex without a condom is safe as long as you have certain 'usage patterns'.

    Erm. Sex with one partner who is not promiscuous and doesn't have a disease is pretty safe without a condom. That's a usage pattern, right?

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    15. fhars ◴[] No.1284177{3}[source]
    People tried running windows viruses under wine, but the success rate was not that great.

    (I can't copy and paste URL on thic stupid cell phone, so ask google for "virus wine linux" for the details.)

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    16. jacquesm ◴[] No.1284377{5}[source]
    That's your usage pattern, but it does not say anything about that partner, so it may be less safe than it appears.
    17. TwoSheds ◴[] No.1285005[source]
    Unfortunately?
    18. eru ◴[] No.1285846{4}[source]
    http://www.linux.com/archive/feed/42031