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mrcharles ◴[] No.1282918[source]
Just another nail in the coffin of the usefulness of AV systems. And good riddance.

My work computer actually has McAfee on it, which I've disabled through the registry. Don't like how slow it makes my computer.

Education, people! It's better than buying useless feel-good software.

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billybob ◴[] No.1283112[source]
I think it's interesting to consider computer viruses and biological pathogens in terms of "optimum harmfulness."

A cold virus's best strategy, for example, is to keep you awake coughing so your immune system is weak, make you sneeze and cough and have a runny nose so you spread germs, etc. But it shouldn't kill you, especially not before you pass it on. I've heard (did I read it in Guns, Germs and Steel?) that syphillis used to be more deadly, but that it got milder as an adaptive strategy.

Likewise, computer viruses probably have a pain threshold they shouldn't pass. If they can do their masters' bidding without hacking you off so bad that you format the computer, they'll be more successful.

Possibly unwarranted conclusion: computer viruses are now widespread precisely because they're Not That Bad.

So, are they worse than antivirus software? A lot of non-geeks may be asking themselves that question today. "Dang, we got a virus one time, but it didn't keep the computer from BOOTing!"

McAfee has just demonstrated a computer autoimmune disease.

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thaumaturgy ◴[] No.1283146[source]
Well, first off, I have bad news for you: the more recent rootkits we've been seeing are doing exactly this. They are very quiet, very sneaky, very hard to remove, and they just love it when you purchase items online.

As far as whether viruses or antivirus software are worse to deal with -- well, I have three systems in the shop so far today for virus infections that were so bad that it rendered the computer unusable. One woman told me she broke down and cried because her brand new laptop got infected yesterday and quit working just before she was supposed to do online college course work.

Running without A/V software is exceptionally stupid at this point, even if you think you're smarter than everyone else.

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smutticus ◴[] No.1283197[source]
The last computer virus I got was the stoned virus on a DOS 6.2 machines sometime around 1989-90.

And I never run anti-virus software. At home I have Windows, OS X and Linux boxen and not in 20 years have I had a computer virus.

It's really all about usage patterns more than anything else.

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jacquesm ◴[] No.1283351[source]
That's like saying that having sex without a condom is safe as long as you have certain 'usage patterns'.

Chances are you have contracted something, but just don't know about it.

The OS X and linux boxes are pretty safe, but if you use your windows machines online you're bound to have been bitten by drive by malware at least once.

Unless those machines have never been used to surf the web.

Even very reputable sites have had bad cases of advertising injected malware, in some of the most unlikely delivery vehicles.

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donaq ◴[] No.1284083[source]
That's like saying that having sex without a condom is safe as long as you have certain 'usage patterns'.

Erm. Sex with one partner who is not promiscuous and doesn't have a disease is pretty safe without a condom. That's a usage pattern, right?

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