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Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say

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623 points franzb | 22 comments | 14 Nov 15 00:25 UTC | HN request time: 0.966s | source | bottom
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jmspring ◴[14 Nov 15 00:45 UTC] No.10563642[source]▶
The repeated attacks, heavy immigration of refugees...I'm hoping for the best, but I feel like there is a powder keg here. Whether or not it is based in any fact, how this is handled and plays out is a serious concern.
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1. gotchange ◴[14 Nov 15 00:57 UTC] No.10563703[source]▶
I believe that France didn't open its borders to this wave of refugees/migrants but I could be mistaken since I don't follow the news this closely.
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2. cm2187 ◴[14 Nov 15 01:01 UTC] No.10563735[source]▶
France cannot really control the wave of migrants anyway. But it is unlikely that the terrorists are one of these migrants. My guess is that they were French nationals/residents.
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3. jules ◴[14 Nov 15 01:05 UTC] No.10563760[source]▶
What do you mean by that? The border between France and neighboring nations is always open.
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4. AlexB138 ◴[14 Nov 15 01:09 UTC] No.10563783[source]▶
>My guess is that they were French nationals/residents.

Based on what? I'm pretty uninformed here, and it seems like a lot of people are bringing up refugees. Curious why you think the opposite.

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5. cm2187 ◴[14 Nov 15 01:14 UTC] No.10563809{3}[source]▶
We do not know yet the identities of the terrorists, so only a guess based on the previous three years of attacks in France.
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6. gotchange ◴[14 Nov 15 01:26 UTC] No.10563863[source]▶
It's open but that doesn't mean that everyone who shows up at the gate will be allowed in, right?
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7. cm2187 ◴[14 Nov 15 01:28 UTC] No.10563873{4}[source]▶
also the TVs are mentioning terrorists speaking French, which if confirmed strongly support this guess.
8. jacquesm ◴[14 Nov 15 01:32 UTC] No.10563896[source]▶
France is part of the Schengen area so there were no borders to open. The signs read 'Bienvenue en France'...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/redlotusmama/4583584976

9. ino ◴[14 Nov 15 01:34 UTC] No.10563899{3}[source]▶
there are no gates
10. darkr ◴[14 Nov 15 01:35 UTC] No.10563906{3}[source]▶
Under normal circumstances there is no gate to speak of.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area

11. jules ◴[14 Nov 15 01:36 UTC] No.10563909{3}[source]▶
What gates? You can walk or drive from France into Spain or Belgium or Germany and not even notice.
12. saryant ◴[14 Nov 15 01:36 UTC] No.10563912{3}[source]▶
Have you crossed a French land border lately? There are no controls. There are no gates between France and other Schengen countries.
13. bensandcastle ◴[14 Nov 15 01:40 UTC] No.10563933{3}[source]▶
There are no gates. There is a sign. http://travel.jeffersoncampervan.com/Pictures/PixoriginalSit...

Cross border travel within the EU is like moving between states in the US, easy to miss.

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14. gotchange ◴[14 Nov 15 01:51 UTC] No.10563969{4}[source]▶
What about airports?

I'm very positive that they check people's passports and papers in airports.

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15. the_french ◴[14 Nov 15 02:04 UTC] No.10564025{5}[source]▶
The vast majority of European travellers use trains or roads, not air travel.
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16. aikah ◴[14 Nov 15 02:31 UTC] No.10564146{3}[source]▶
What he means is french muslims , which are nationals/residents. Charlie Hebdo attackers were french nationals, though having a north african/african background.
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17. cm2187 ◴[14 Nov 15 02:38 UTC] No.10564168{4}[source]▶
Almost certainly. But it does make a difference. Most French muslims come from Algeria and Marrocco and can't really claim to have been affected by the war in Syria. There are deeper roots to home grown terrorism than the Syrian conflict.
18. kalleboo ◴[14 Nov 15 04:09 UTC] No.10564409{5}[source]▶
Only if you're arriving from outside of Schengen. Within Schengen, there are only ID checks if the airline themselves have them there to avoid ticket resales.
19. acjohnson55 ◴[14 Nov 15 05:18 UTC] No.10564578{5}[source]▶
Sometimes. About 5 years ago, I walked off a plane from Baltimore to Rome and out of the airport like it was a domestic flight. No stamp or anything.
20. saryant ◴[14 Nov 15 06:16 UTC] No.10564716{6}[source]▶
Actually, air travel is the most common mode of transport in intra-EU travel.

http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/...

Trains are a tiny 6%.

21. rihegher ◴[14 Nov 15 06:51 UTC] No.10564771{3}[source]▶
At least they speaks french according to witnesses http://www.mediapart.fr/journal/france/131115/paris-frappe-p...
22. apetresc ◴[14 Nov 15 06:51 UTC] No.10564772{3}[source]▶
There were eyewitness reports that the gunmen were talking to each other in French. So, that's something. If they were recently-arrived refugees that probably wouldn't be the case, though it doesn't rule out long-term embedded groups.