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114 points muellerwolfram | 18 comments | | HN request time: 1.368s | source | bottom

I hope it didn’t get asked before, I couldn’t find anything.

There was a question recently, about why you don’t improve the HTML of HN, where you said "When the HTML is the most important thing to work on."(http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4927231)

I agree that the markup is relatively unimportant compared to features that I think could really improve the functionality and quality of the site, and I bet you have a long wishlist of features yourself.

But between the lines I interpreted that that list might be way longer, than the time that is available to you, allows you to work on it.

So why don’t you open source HN? I get that with a project that is important to someone, it’s hard to give away control. But you can still be the project lead, you could still have the last call and I feel to open up the project will lead to great feature discussions and ultimately a better hn.

Have you ever considered open sourcing it? And what’s the thought process on your decision?

1. tptacek ◴[] No.5006414[source]
Two big reasons people miss:

(a) HN is the front-end and back-end of a bunch of YC business processes.

(b) The voting ring and antispam features rely on obscurity; they are game-able.

The code for older versions of HN is available, but you'd be better off with the code for lobste.rs.

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2. ceol ◴[] No.5006446[source]
The voting-ring/anti-spam features don't have to be included in the repository. It might be a big hassle to detangle them from the rest of the codebase, though.
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3. zmitri ◴[] No.5006483[source]
Not only that, there's a variety of mechanisms built in to boost/identify YC users to other YCers to provide mechanisms of boosting their submitted stories. HN in itself is like a giant voter ring in that way.
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4. ntaylor ◴[] No.5006725[source]
This is what reddit does
5. brudgers ◴[] No.5006769[source]
The third big reason:

(c) The standard complaints don't matter because they don't impact growth.

There's a message in that.

It is, "Ship."

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6. subsystem ◴[] No.5006779[source]
I would say the look and name of HN do impact growth in certain "demographics". That might even be the idea.
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7. brudgers ◴[] No.5006788{3}[source]
In that vein, discouraging memes, insider jokes, meanness, snark, and flamewars, also impact growth.
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8. subsystem ◴[] No.5006872{4}[source]
Of course, but it can also be engaging. It all depends on what kind of growth you want. For the size of the reader base, it's not very common to see people "on the team" comment something here on HN once the discussion turns opinionated.
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9. brudgers ◴[] No.5006913{5}[source]
It can be engaging when it is engaging. However, the median meme, etc. of the set of all internet discussions is not.
10. wglb ◴[] No.5007304[source]
Do you have specific evidence of that?
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11. codewright ◴[] No.5007381{3}[source]
It's pretty well known. Don't know that I'd use the term voter ring though.

It's just that if you're in a YC batch or an alum you get posts, especially job posts, boosted.

I wouldn't pay much mind to this talk of mechanisms and gaming systems, sounds like post-hoc reasoning by outsiders.

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12. zmitri ◴[] No.5007382{3}[source]
Think about this: YC is a business. YC likes hackers -- hell, YC are hackers. Gaming systems is what hacking is about. Hacker News provides a platform to let their companies get attention. Being front page on HN brings you traffic and tech attention. The HN that you read is the same one potential hires, investors and journalists read.
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13. Terretta ◴[] No.5007449{4}[source]
Pre-chasm traffic.
14. tptacek ◴[] No.5008267{3}[source]
It's true, or was recently.
15. tptacek ◴[] No.5008829{4}[source]
There is more than that going on.
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16. codewright ◴[] No.5012238{5}[source]
Not that I'm surprised, but I have to imagine it would take the form of the quasi-benign backslapping I saw on Reddit.
17. pg ◴[] No.5025168[source]
No there aren't. YC founders' userids show up in orange to one another, and there is a page where they can see one anothers' submissions. There are no mechanisms to "boost" stories submitted by YC founders, nor does the voting ring detector discriminate.
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18. zmitri ◴[] No.5026868{3}[source]
To me that sounds like a mechanism to help boost. Not automatically, but definitely an advantage.