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Berlin Approves New Expansion of Police Surveillance Powers

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157 points robtherobber | 2 comments | 12 Dec 25 15:29 UTC | HN request time: 0.002s | source
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lysace ◴[12 Dec 25 16:13 UTC] No.46245508[source]▶
Fighting extremist terrorism requires tough measures. This one is a bit extra though:

> If the software cannot be deployed remotely, the law authorizes officers to secretly enter a person’s home to gain access.

Clear Das Leben der Anderen vibes. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lives_of_Others)

However: As usual, the devil is in the details. How much suspicion is required, what's the process, etc. (I assume that a judge needs to sign off.)

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nabnob ◴[12 Dec 25 16:29 UTC] No.46245695[source]▶
What are you calling "extremist terrorism"?
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lysace ◴[12 Dec 25 16:32 UTC] No.46245726[source]▶
E.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Berlin_truck_attack (13+1 deaths, 56 injured)
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josefritzishere ◴[12 Dec 25 16:36 UTC] No.46245755[source]▶
That was almost 10 years ago. That does not an existential threat make.
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lysace ◴[12 Dec 25 16:38 UTC] No.46245777{3}[source]▶
There have been a number of similar attacks in Germany since. There are no signs of this stopping.

Noone claimed it was an existential threat.

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1. josefritzishere ◴[12 Dec 25 16:59 UTC] No.46246009{4}[source]▶
Fair statement but it is generally accepted that extraordinary measures, like extraordinary claims require extreme evidence. That's just not the case here. To paraphrase Ben Frnaklin "Those who would give up liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." I think the corollary is that we actually get neither liberty nor safety.
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2. lysace ◴[12 Dec 25 17:05 UTC] No.46246064[source]▶
but it is generally accepted that extraordinary measures, like extraordinary claims require extreme evidence

I think you also don't know what kind of evidence this new legislation requires.