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lysace ◴[] No.46245508[source]
Fighting extremist terrorism requires tough measures. This one is a bit extra though:

> If the software cannot be deployed remotely, the law authorizes officers to secretly enter a person’s home to gain access.

Clear Das Leben der Anderen vibes. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lives_of_Others)

However: As usual, the devil is in the details. How much suspicion is required, what's the process, etc. (I assume that a judge needs to sign off.)

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1. nabnob ◴[] No.46245695[source]
What are you calling "extremist terrorism"?
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2. lysace ◴[] No.46245726[source]
E.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Berlin_truck_attack (13+1 deaths, 56 injured)
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3. josefritzishere ◴[] No.46245755[source]
That was almost 10 years ago. That does not an existential threat make.
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4. lysace ◴[] No.46245777{3}[source]
There have been a number of similar attacks in Germany since. There are no signs of this stopping.

Noone claimed it was an existential threat.

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5. sapientiae3 ◴[] No.46245882{3}[source]
The interesting thing is that the laws being created to protect against such extreme attacks will be used against the people when they are controlled by an extreme group.
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6. josefritzishere ◴[] No.46246009{4}[source]
Fair statement but it is generally accepted that extraordinary measures, like extraordinary claims require extreme evidence. That's just not the case here. To paraphrase Ben Frnaklin "Those who would give up liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." I think the corollary is that we actually get neither liberty nor safety.
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7. lysace ◴[] No.46246064{5}[source]
but it is generally accepted that extraordinary measures, like extraordinary claims require extreme evidence

I think you also don't know what kind of evidence this new legislation requires.

8. add-sub-mul-div ◴[] No.46246374{4}[source]
And, to put it more explicitly, against the people who were manipulated into fearing the "extremist" threat in the first place.
9. mmooss ◴[] No.46246580{4}[source]
That's how radicalization works, a pretty well-defined tactic as I understand it:

How do you get free, prosperous, safe people to give all that up for what you offer? It sounds almost impossible. You manufacture fear and division - look at terrorism, or the uses of demonization in many places - and then they may be willing to change.

Remember that Eisenhower said, 'the only thing we have to fear is fear itself'. Eisenhower, who led the militaries of West through arguably the greatest crisis in their history, who was leading the West through the Cold War. He knew crisis, and that is what he said. That's what genuine leaders do.

Those who use spread fear and radicalization are not after security and freedom, but after power.

10. brikym ◴[] No.46248207{3}[source]
Then why do they put Merkel's lego (concrete blocks) at every winter market now?
11. breppp ◴[] No.46249015{3}[source]
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgknpzrkyvno

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/01/germany-summon...

https://www.euractiv.com/news/germany-arrests-syrian-suspect...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/05/suspected-memb...

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-police-detain-man-in-anti-terr...