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    1. diddid ◴[] No.46240923[source]
    Interesting contrast to all this tech is that my wife liked the Rivian, but when I told her they won’t do car play that interest went to 0. Can CarPlay not play nice with these things or do they want to keep all the tech dollars to themselves?
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    2. cr125rider ◴[] No.46240936[source]
    In 6 years I don’t want your laggy legacy system with unsupported apps. I want my new phone to power the experience. Most of my experience in a car is digital, the physical needs to do its best to get out of the way. I hope Rivian fails for missing this obvious point.
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    3. staticshock ◴[] No.46240942[source]
    Direct quote from RJ Scaringe, founder/CEO of Rivian:

    > This is a decision. It's generated, I said there's many millions of decisions, many of them will never get noticed and they're just under the surface. One of those decisions that's been noticed quite a bit is the fact that we've intentionally not included CarPlay in the vehicle. And that's not to say we don't think a close partnership with Apple is important. So we have Apple Music integration, we have a bunch of Apple integrations that are yet to come, we have a great relationship with the team at Apple. But it was more to say, we just felt and continue to feel very strongly about creating a consistent, fully integrated digital experience where you're not jumping between apps, let's say from a CarPlay app back to the vehicle app. And it's quite jarring when you don't have, let's say vehicle level controls when you're in the CarPlay environment. That view we've had since the early, early days. I think that's going to become even more important and more true in a world of integrated AI.

    https://cheekypint.transistor.fm/14/transcript

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    4. mlsu ◴[] No.46240960[source]
    I can think of an easy way to have the controls accessible no matter what's going on on the touchscreen, but then again that's probably what disqualifies me from being the CEO of a big car company.
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    5. jonathanlb ◴[] No.46240970[source]
    > Most of my experience in a car is digital

    What do you mean? My experience in a budget car from the early 2010s is entirely the opposite, so I don't understand fully.

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    6. stackghost ◴[] No.46241048{3}[source]
    I drive a 2013 VW diesel and literally every aspect of vehicle ownership today is inferior except for emissions.
    7. vasco ◴[] No.46241058{3}[source]
    Take that idea of buttons and knobs and just replace it with another ipad. Make it revolutionary, put the ipad in the middle of the steering wheel, boom.
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    8. LoganDark ◴[] No.46241276[source]
    Rivian's infotainment system uses Google Maps which I am not a big fan of. I wish they would support CarPlay in addition to everything else, so that I wouldn't lose my maps.
    9. billti ◴[] No.46241358[source]
    I was hesitant buying my Tesla this year (first one) as I really liked having CarPlay in my prior car (Jeep). But after having it a while, it's really a non-issue. The Tesla Apple Music app is pretty good. Their maps and navigation is pretty good (and integrated with FSD). And I can easily just use the bluetooth connection for a couple other minor things I occasionally use.
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    10. lotsofpulp ◴[] No.46241416[source]
    Bullshit response. It would cost Rivian nothing to allow Apple (and Android) devices to use the monitor in the car as a second screen to be able to play music and whatnot, they just don’t want to to increase vendor lock in.

    They could easily make their screen compatible with Carplay/Android Auto and provide whatever experience Rivian wants to at the same time, and they could let the drivers choose which to use.

    And I write this as someone with a Model Y who does not miss Carplay (although it would be nice to have).

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    11. m463 ◴[] No.46242165{4}[source]
    make the steering wheel an ipad and swipe to turn!

    You could really future-proof the car if you replace the windshield with an ipad. then you can overlay ads on reality just like they do in soccer games.

    12. m463 ◴[] No.46242186[source]
    > Their maps and navigation is pretty good (and integrated with FSD)

    I got a loaner with fsd and tried it out.

    There was this one trip I took to a store and for some reason, the nav route detoured off the road to the next street over, then joined back with the route.

    I think this is a thing nav systems do and people just ignore it and go the right way.

    except the tesla tried to drive the dumb route.

    lol

    13. mft_ ◴[] No.46242251{3}[source]
    It’s not a bullshit response. It’s hidden in swathes of typical CEO bullshit corp-speak, but underneath that he’s clear that they’ve made the deliberate decision to be responsible for the full infotainment UX/UI, despite the trade-offs this brings.

    We may both disagree with their decision, but that doesn’t mean the explanation is bullshit.

    And to be fair, as you point out, if they do a really good job with the UI/UX (as Tesla have mostly done) then you’ll probably not miss CarPlay most of the time.

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    14. duskdozer ◴[] No.46243487{4}[source]
    What about several mini ipads, each dedicated to a single function? We could use OLED displays and pre-burn-in their function at the factory as a label, and leave the display off, except for maybe a single LED, to save power. We could also add some sort of haptic feedback on user interaction with each mini ipad...
    15. FinnKuhn ◴[] No.46243522[source]
    All of the mentioned issues are mostly solved with Apple CarPlay Ultra though so this doesn't explain to me why they don't offer that.
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    16. IshKebab ◴[] No.46243629{3}[source]
    Because the real reason is they don't want you using somebody else's software.
    17. etothet ◴[] No.46243820[source]
    I’ll start off by saying that the model Y is one of the best mid-level cars I’ve driven so the issues I mention below are worth the tradeoffs to me.

    In my experience, Tesla navigation can be pretty bad when navigating my large urban city. During peak traffic times it often tries to send me down roads that are notoriously known for traffic backing up. Most times when I end up following those suggested routes, my ETA essentially becomes meaningless.

    I’ve found Google, Waze, and Apple maps to be a lot better in this respect.

    I do miss having CarPlay. That’s not to say I think the music integration you mentioned is bad, but I find the overall UI in my model Y to be a bit confusing - and the lower icons seem to sometimes randomly change from what I have them set as.

    18. lotsofpulp ◴[] No.46244115{4}[source]
    As I explained, the bullshit is that there is no trade off. Rivian could easily allow their customer to choose which UX they want to experience.