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251 points mpweiher | 13 comments | 08 Dec 25 11:47 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source | bottom
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mpweiher ◴[08 Dec 25 12:54 UTC] No.46191671[source]▶

   Hardware Design:    check
   Hardware:           check
   Software Design:    check
   Software:           please!
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tobr ◴[08 Dec 25 13:03 UTC] No.46191727[source]▶
For a good while, Mac hardware was held back because of hardware design. That changed soon after Ive left. Maybe the same can happen with software now.
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euroderf ◴[08 Dec 25 13:13 UTC] No.46191827[source]▶
The healing begins with a joint HW/SW effort: bring iPhone touch ID back, and strip Liquid Glass down to the bare wood and fix it.
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tobr ◴[08 Dec 25 13:20 UTC] No.46191897[source]▶
Liquid Glass I agree with. Not sure if the Touch ID comment is intended as a joke.
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1. carlosjobim ◴[08 Dec 25 14:05 UTC] No.46192333[source]▶
Cell phones from other brands have Touch ID and it works great. Apple has Touch ID on their iPads and it also works great. As it does on the MacBooks. As it does on the iPhone SE. It should be brought back.
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2. ChrisMarshallNY ◴[08 Dec 25 14:22 UTC] No.46192532[source]▶
I am not a fan, simply because of the screen real estate that needs to be sacrificed.

Other phones tend to have it on the back, and I have heard there's good progress in having embedded thumbprint readers in the screen.

I have, however, really come to like Face ID.

[UPDATED TO ADD] I think that it's interesting that folks ding comments they disagree with. I upvoted all the responses to my comment, even though they may disagree with me, because they were made in good faith, and contribute to the discussion.

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3. endemic ◴[08 Dec 25 14:39 UTC] No.46192724[source]▶
It's a lost cause by now, but I really liked Sony's implementation with their Xperia Z5 -- the fingerprint sensor was on the power button.
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4. tannhaeuser ◴[08 Dec 25 14:54 UTC] No.46192885[source]▶
Face ID is severely lacking compared to MS Hello, simple as. It's at best 50:50 hit/miss compared to Hello which logs me in always. Granted, that figure doesn't include false positives, but the difference is substantial and makes Apple's implementation look really lame, to the point I'd like to see it removed.
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5. ChrisMarshallNY ◴[08 Dec 25 15:00 UTC] No.46192959{3}[source]▶
I haven't had that happen, so I think it works fairly well. Even with a mask.

In fact, it works so well, for me, that I was worried that it was too generous, but it is actually very secure.

6. russelg ◴[08 Dec 25 15:06 UTC] No.46193050[source]▶
This is how it's implemented on iPads without Face ID (like the Air)
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7. jeffbee ◴[08 Dec 25 15:11 UTC] No.46193106[source]▶
My phone has the fingerprint reader under the display. It sacrifices no space.
8. losvedir ◴[08 Dec 25 15:24 UTC] No.46193271[source]▶
"needs to be sacrificed"? You yourself give other options.

* Some iPads have the finger print reader on the side of the device, on the power button.

* Old Google Pixels had it on the back, conveniently able to be accessed with your index finger as you take the phone out of your pocket.

* Current Google Pixels have it where you just touch the screen.

My Google Pixel 10 has both an in-the-screen fingerprint reader, and a Face ID, and I use both. They're both useful in different situations.

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9. carlosjobim ◴[08 Dec 25 15:28 UTC] No.46193340[source]▶
>I have heard there's good progress in having embedded thumbprint readers in the screen.

Samsung phones have had a perfectly working finger print reader under the screen for many years now. There is no more progress to be made, it is complete.

10. ChrisMarshallNY ◴[08 Dec 25 15:30 UTC] No.46193363{3}[source]▶
> My Google Pixel 10 has both an in-the-screen fingerprint reader, and a Face ID, and I use both. They're both useful in different situations.

That sounds great.

> Some iPads have the finger print reader on the side of the device, on the power button.

My main iPad is a Mini (latest gen). It has the Touch ID on the top. I find it to be a bit "flaky." It often misses prints. However, I think it works amazingly well, given that it's just a strip.

I also have an iPad Pro, with FaceID. That works nicely. I like that it works in both portrait and landscape. That didn't happen in my older phones, but seems to be the case in my latest (17 Pro).

11. robotresearcher ◴[08 Dec 25 16:56 UTC] No.46194637{3}[source]▶
And Macs.
12. blackguardx ◴[08 Dec 25 17:50 UTC] No.46195362[source]▶
TouchID doesn't really for me on my Macbook or iPad. It has about a 25% success rate. I think one issue is that I work with my hands a lot.
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13. phantasmish ◴[08 Dec 25 23:40 UTC] No.46199244[source]▶
It works OK for me on Mac, but all touchID drops to about 50/50 for me in Winter, under the (otherwise) best circumstances. Dry air, I guess.

On iPhone, specifically, it was awful for me. I was too likely to have wet hands (raining, just got out of shower, whatever—even dried, the higher moisture in my skin meant it didn't work) or gloves on or some other problem that made it fail. Trying to hold it the right way, one-handed, to get a finger in the right position (waaaaay down near the bottom) was also a high-risk maneuver for a drop, and was not a way I'd otherwise have tried to hold the device.