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mpweiher ◴[] No.46191671[source]

   Hardware Design:    check
   Hardware:           check
   Software Design:    check
   Software:           please!
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1. tobr ◴[] No.46191727[source]
For a good while, Mac hardware was held back because of hardware design. That changed soon after Ive left. Maybe the same can happen with software now.
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2. euroderf ◴[] No.46191827[source]
The healing begins with a joint HW/SW effort: bring iPhone touch ID back, and strip Liquid Glass down to the bare wood and fix it.
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3. tobr ◴[] No.46191897[source]
Liquid Glass I agree with. Not sure if the Touch ID comment is intended as a joke.
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4. gcr ◴[] No.46191960{3}[source]
See there are users who like Liquid Glass, just as there are users who like TouchID. A lot of Apple’s best work turned out to be quite polarizing at the time.

iOS 7’s design language was almost universally panned, but if it were “the wrong decision,” other phones wouldn’t have adopted similar design language. Material appeared just a year later in 2014. It wasn’t bad, it was just arbitrary.

(“I like Liquid Glass! I like Liquid Glass!” I insist as i slowly shrink down into the size of a corn cob)

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5. tobr ◴[] No.46192089{4}[source]
On the topic of Alan Dye and the home button though, the swipe gesture interface they introduced when they removed the home button strikes me as one of few genuinely successful system-level Apple design innovations in recent years. That at least seems to have happened under his leadership. Can’t think of much else good to say about what I associate with design under him.
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6. carlosjobim ◴[] No.46192333{3}[source]
Cell phones from other brands have Touch ID and it works great. Apple has Touch ID on their iPads and it also works great. As it does on the MacBooks. As it does on the iPhone SE. It should be brought back.
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7. glhaynes ◴[] No.46192438{5}[source]
It’s my understanding that Chan Karunamuni was largely responsible for leading the iPhone X home buttonless interface, which, I agree, is fantastic and probably the best bit of UI to come out of Apple in years. Also, the Dynamic Island, which is less impactful, but really good and clever! Anyway, he’s excited about Lemay, so I am too. https://9to5mac.com/2025/12/05/acclaimed-apple-designer-says...

Here’s a video with him discussing the iPhone X interface around its introduction in 2018 that I find fascinating https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2018/803/

8. ChrisMarshallNY ◴[] No.46192532{4}[source]
I am not a fan, simply because of the screen real estate that needs to be sacrificed.

Other phones tend to have it on the back, and I have heard there's good progress in having embedded thumbprint readers in the screen.

I have, however, really come to like Face ID.

[UPDATED TO ADD] I think that it's interesting that folks ding comments they disagree with. I upvoted all the responses to my comment, even though they may disagree with me, because they were made in good faith, and contribute to the discussion.

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9. endemic ◴[] No.46192724{4}[source]
It's a lost cause by now, but I really liked Sony's implementation with their Xperia Z5 -- the fingerprint sensor was on the power button.
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10. tannhaeuser ◴[] No.46192885{5}[source]
Face ID is severely lacking compared to MS Hello, simple as. It's at best 50:50 hit/miss compared to Hello which logs me in always. Granted, that figure doesn't include false positives, but the difference is substantial and makes Apple's implementation look really lame, to the point I'd like to see it removed.
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11. ChrisMarshallNY ◴[] No.46192959{6}[source]
I haven't had that happen, so I think it works fairly well. Even with a mask.

In fact, it works so well, for me, that I was worried that it was too generous, but it is actually very secure.

12. hyperjeff ◴[] No.46192964[source]
+1 for the return of TouchID, but it’ll never happen. Having to orient the phone and stare into a bright screen all the time is sub optimal.
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13. russelg ◴[] No.46193050{5}[source]
This is how it's implemented on iPads without Face ID (like the Air)
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14. jeffbee ◴[] No.46193106{5}[source]
My phone has the fingerprint reader under the display. It sacrifices no space.
15. losvedir ◴[] No.46193271{5}[source]
"needs to be sacrificed"? You yourself give other options.

* Some iPads have the finger print reader on the side of the device, on the power button.

* Old Google Pixels had it on the back, conveniently able to be accessed with your index finger as you take the phone out of your pocket.

* Current Google Pixels have it where you just touch the screen.

My Google Pixel 10 has both an in-the-screen fingerprint reader, and a Face ID, and I use both. They're both useful in different situations.

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16. carlosjobim ◴[] No.46193340{5}[source]
>I have heard there's good progress in having embedded thumbprint readers in the screen.

Samsung phones have had a perfectly working finger print reader under the screen for many years now. There is no more progress to be made, it is complete.

17. ChrisMarshallNY ◴[] No.46193363{6}[source]
> My Google Pixel 10 has both an in-the-screen fingerprint reader, and a Face ID, and I use both. They're both useful in different situations.

That sounds great.

> Some iPads have the finger print reader on the side of the device, on the power button.

My main iPad is a Mini (latest gen). It has the Touch ID on the top. I find it to be a bit "flaky." It often misses prints. However, I think it works amazingly well, given that it's just a strip.

I also have an iPad Pro, with FaceID. That works nicely. I like that it works in both portrait and landscape. That didn't happen in my older phones, but seems to be the case in my latest (17 Pro).

18. tobr ◴[] No.46193503{3}[source]
TIL people have very strong feelings about bringing back Touch ID, to the point where a comment like the above is getting downvotes.
19. wrxd ◴[] No.46194039[source]
I spoke with an Apple designer who told me that Lemay has been deeply involved in designing Liquid Glass. Don't get your hopes too high
20. robotresearcher ◴[] No.46194637{6}[source]
And Macs.
21. blackguardx ◴[] No.46195362{4}[source]
TouchID doesn't really for me on my Macbook or iPad. It has about a 25% success rate. I think one issue is that I work with my hands a lot.
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22. mpweiher ◴[] No.46195446[source]
That's the hope.

At this point, they are still as high on their own supply on the software side as they were on the hardware side in the heyday of butterfly keyboards, slow/overheating CPUs and broken screens.

23. phantasmish ◴[] No.46199206{3}[source]
I want the home button back, TouchID or no. It's (I'm not joking) among the best applications of computer UI ever and it has not been obsoleted, they just abandoned it for worse options.
24. phantasmish ◴[] No.46199244{5}[source]
It works OK for me on Mac, but all touchID drops to about 50/50 for me in Winter, under the (otherwise) best circumstances. Dry air, I guess.

On iPhone, specifically, it was awful for me. I was too likely to have wet hands (raining, just got out of shower, whatever—even dried, the higher moisture in my skin meant it didn't work) or gloves on or some other problem that made it fail. Trying to hold it the right way, one-handed, to get a finger in the right position (waaaaay down near the bottom) was also a high-risk maneuver for a drop, and was not a way I'd otherwise have tried to hold the device.