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jqpabc123 ◴[] No.46153440[source]
We are trying to fix probability with more probability. That is a losing game.

Thanks for pointing out the elephant in the room with LLMs.

The basic design is non-deterministic. Trying to extract "facts" or "truth" or "accuracy" is an exercise in futility.

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steerlabs ◴[] No.46155764[source]
Exactly. We treat them like databases, but they are hallucination machines.

My thesis isn't that we can stop the hallucinating (non-determinism), but that we can bound it.

If we wrap the generation in hard assertions (e.g., assert response.price > 0), we turn 'probability' into 'manageable software engineering.' The generation remains probabilistic, but the acceptance criteria becomes binary and deterministic.

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jqpabc123 ◴[] No.46163076[source]
but the acceptance criteria becomes binary and deterministic.

Unfortunately, the use-case for AI is often where the acceptance criteria is not easily defined --- a matter of judgment. For example, "Does this patient have cancer?".

In cases where the criteria can be easily and clearly stipulated, AI often isn't really required.

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steerlabs ◴[] No.46185626[source]
You're 100% right. For a "judgment" task like "Does this patient have cancer?", the final acceptance criteria must be a human expert. A purely deterministic verifier is impossible.

My thesis is that even in those "fuzzy" workflows, the agent's process is full of small, deterministic sub-tasks that can and should be verified.

For example, before the AI even attempts to analyze the X-ray for cancer, it must: 1/ Verify it has the correct patient file (PatientIDVerifier). 2/ Verify the image is a chest X-ray and not a brain MRI (ModalityVerifier). 3/ Verify the date of the scan is within the relevant timeframe (DateVerifier).

These are "boring," deterministic checks. But a failure on any one of them makes the final "judgment" output completely useless.

steer isn't designed to automate the final, high-stakes judgment. It's designed to automate the pre-flight checklist, ensuring the agent has the correct, factually grounded information before it even begins the complex reasoning task. It's about reducing the "unforced errors" so the human expert can focus only on the truly hard part.

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malfist ◴[] No.46191761[source]
Why do any of those checks with ai though? All of them you can get a less error prone answer without ai.
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1. jennyholzer ◴[] No.46191922{3}[source]
Robo-eugenics is the best answer I can come up with