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Germany votes to bring in voluntary military service programme for 18-year-olds

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126 points petermcneeley | 13 comments | 06 Dec 25 19:19 UTC | HN request time: 1.379s | source | bottom
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appreciatorBus ◴[06 Dec 25 23:48 UTC] No.46177701[source]▶
> "We don't want to spend half a year of our lives locked up in barracks, being trained in drill and obedience and learning to kill," the organisers of the protests wrote in a statement posted on social media. "War offers no prospects for the future and destroys our livelihoods."

Is the idea that it’s better for your livelihood to just start learning how speak Russian now?

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lawn ◴[07 Dec 25 07:30 UTC] No.46179918[source]▶
Learning to speak Russian, and to live with the massive amount of corruption, prosecution, genocide, and much lower quality of life.

Assuming you survive the initial wave of plunder, rape and murder of course.

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1. disgruntledphd2 ◴[07 Dec 25 10:14 UTC] No.46180622[source]▶
Do you think Russians have a better quality of life than Germans?
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2. lawn ◴[07 Dec 25 10:31 UTC] No.46180698[source]▶
So you'd rather read Russian propaganda?

Weird choice.

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3. jasonvorhe ◴[07 Dec 25 10:40 UTC] No.46180747[source]▶
So in your experience there is only one or the other and there's no room for nuance and neutral assessments of both positions?

Guess who has been propagandized.

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4. fifilura ◴[07 Dec 25 10:49 UTC] No.46180789{3}[source]▶
Maybe you should look for other sources than random YouTube videos of people shopping in central Moscow.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/04/02/indoor-plumbing-st...

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5. lawn ◴[07 Dec 25 10:51 UTC] No.46180800{3}[source]▶
There is nuance and neutral assessments, but your comment provides absolutely none of that.

The state of Russia are very well documented you know, by countless of neutral observers. Yet you dismiss it all as "mainstream media propaganda".

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6. ekianjo ◴[07 Dec 25 10:55 UTC] No.46180820[source]▶
> So you'd rather read Russian propaganda?

Propaganda happens on both sides during a war. You just need to be aware of it.

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7. lawn ◴[07 Dec 25 11:01 UTC] No.46180846{3}[source]▶
These arguments always try to imply that both sides are equally bad, which is not the case (by far).
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8. jasonvorhe ◴[07 Dec 25 11:24 UTC] No.46180949{4}[source]▶
And you're posting a 6+ years old news report about indoor plumbing for a country with the lowest population density (in squared kilometers) of ~8.5 compared to ~35 (US) and ~100 (all of the EU) as if it had any meaning.

Good luck, man.

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9. jasonvorhe ◴[07 Dec 25 11:26 UTC] No.46180956{4}[source]▶
Reading the nuanced and neutral assessments where what convinced me that mainstream media propaganda is an issue in the first place but I see that this isn't leading anywhere.

Good luck on your path.

10. fifilura ◴[07 Dec 25 11:42 UTC] No.46181037{5}[source]▶
Says the guy who is "Looking at various videos of people going shopping in Russia I see lots of full cabinets"
11. Amezarak ◴[07 Dec 25 11:50 UTC] No.46181075{5}[source]▶
Indoor plumbing doesn't have anything to do with population density. Millions of rural Americans have indoor plumbing without municipal water and sewer systems, using wells and septic tanks.
12. ekianjo ◴[08 Dec 25 00:09 UTC] No.46186799{4}[source]▶
> These arguments always try to imply that both sides are equally bad, which is not the case (by far).

You have actually no way of knowing the truth

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13. yakshaving_jgt ◴[08 Dec 25 10:13 UTC] No.46190581{5}[source]▶
I do.

When I was sitting in my home in Odesa, Ukraine, on February 23rd, 2022, one side was saying that the russians were going to invade, and the other side claimed that this was Western russophobic hysteria.

Do you remember what happened next? Do you? Tell us. What happened? Was there an invasion? Was there a war? Were there drones and tanks and missiles and rapes and tortures and hundreds of thousands of people dead and cities razed and millions displaced?

Who could possible know these things!?

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