Germany votes to bring in voluntary military service programme for 18-year-olds

Learning to speak Russian, and to live with the massive amount of corruption, prosecution, genocide, and much lower quality of life.

Assuming you survive the initial wave of plunder, rape and murder of course.

Do you think Russians have a better quality of life than Germans?

So you'd rather read Russian propaganda?

Weird choice.

So in your experience there is only one or the other and there's no room for nuance and neutral assessments of both positions?

Guess who has been propagandized.

Maybe you should look for other sources than random YouTube videos of people shopping in central Moscow.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/04/02/indoor-plumbing-st...

There is nuance and neutral assessments, but your comment provides absolutely none of that.

The state of Russia are very well documented you know, by countless of neutral observers. Yet you dismiss it all as "mainstream media propaganda".

> So you'd rather read Russian propaganda?

Propaganda happens on both sides during a war. You just need to be aware of it.

These arguments always try to imply that both sides are equally bad, which is not the case (by far).

And you're posting a 6+ years old news report about indoor plumbing for a country with the lowest population density (in squared kilometers) of ~8.5 compared to ~35 (US) and ~100 (all of the EU) as if it had any meaning.

Good luck, man.

Reading the nuanced and neutral assessments where what convinced me that mainstream media propaganda is an issue in the first place but I see that this isn't leading anywhere.

Good luck on your path.

Here, educate yourself:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_...

The Red Army wasn't all that civilized either on their way to Berlin.

Says the guy who is "Looking at various videos of people going shopping in Russia I see lots of full cabinets"

26 million people killed in Soviet Union. Jews massacred in Lithuania, Latvia, Ukraine by the local population (not all of them participated, but your current friends ideological fathers did). Only in Leningrad's blocade 2 million people died.

It was the Soviet Army which liberated Auschwitz, Soviet Army which crushed the nazi war machine starting from Stalingrad.

And these are the main points which your nauseating antirussian propaganda pretends as if it does not exist. And the rest, some of it happened, some of it did not. And wikipedia is not a reliable source for historic events, itis full of propaganda as most educated people realize.

[Just saw that this comment got hidden; if it was not so dangerous, one could have only laughed at how the "free speech" warriors want to suppress other people's views. Nothing new of course.]

Indoor plumbing doesn't have anything to do with population density. Millions of rural Americans have indoor plumbing without municipal water and sewer systems, using wells and septic tanks.

Speaking of things people pretend not to exist, Russian historiography frames WWII as lasting from 1941 to 1945. The USSR conspired with the Nazis to divide Europe[1], invaded Poland from the east in cooperation with Germany[2], held a joint victory parade when Soviet and German forces met[3], murdered the Polish people in an industrial manner[4], and so forth. Later, it pretended that the war began only in 1941 and that none of this had happened. These events were officially acknowledged only in the early 1990s, in the final days of the USSR.

And these were only the opening months of the war. Here is Soviet officer Leonid Rabichev giving a chilling description of the final months of the war in Prussia and the extent of Soviet atrocities against civilians: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ywe5pFT928

Stories like these are why the phrase "Soviet liberators" is used only sarcastically in Eastern Europe.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_military...

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

Yes all those things are true, but the Red Army raping and pillaging on a massive scale in the liberated areas is also true. Bringing the dark side of one's history to light (no matter the country) isn't propaganda but the first step towards freeing yourself from state propaganda. The Soviet Union already seemed to be have been further in that process after Stalin's death than Russia is today.

"Conspired with the nazis to divide Europe" - was pushed to reach an agreement with Germany by the other parties, Soviet Union did realize the danger of the nazi regime, and this was not the preferred course, even for Stalin's regime.

"Used only sarcastically in Eastern Europe"

You just forgot to add "after decades of antirussian propaganda". And still, there are people who don't think about it sarcastically at all, they just are not allowed to speak (if they don't want to lose work, or to get processed by the state for "negating history").

As for the rest go and get the skeletons out from your own closet, there are plenty of them there.

So now Soviet Union was "pushed" to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, and to attack independent countries? I'm sure modern Russia was also "pushed" to attack Ukraine and Georgia?

There's no need for antirussian propaganda. The Russian actions speak for themselves, have always done so, and will continue to do so.

> I'm sure modern Russia was also "pushed" to attack Ukraine and Georgia?

Well yeah, that is indeed what the Russian argument is: America/NATO forced us to attack Ukraine. There was no choice!

> These arguments always try to imply that both sides are equally bad, which is not the case (by far).

You have actually no way of knowing the truth

I do.

When I was sitting in my home in Odesa, Ukraine, on February 23rd, 2022, one side was saying that the russians were going to invade, and the other side claimed that this was Western russophobic hysteria.

Do you remember what happened next? Do you? Tell us. What happened? Was there an invasion? Was there a war? Were there drones and tanks and missiles and rapes and tortures and hundreds of thousands of people dead and cities razed and millions displaced?

Who could possible know these things!?

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