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FreeMDU: Open-source Miele appliance diagnostic tools

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supportengineer ◴[17 Nov 25 19:25 UTC] No.45957140[source]▶
I need a new dishwasher. I am considering a German-made Miele.

I’ve read so many horror stories. I don’t think I could consider any other brand.

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pimeys ◴[17 Nov 25 21:04 UTC] No.45958280[source]▶
We had a Samsung dishwasher. Took exactly 5 years for it to spill water to the floor.

Now we have a Miele, as we do have their laundry machine and fridge already. The laundry machine is soon 20 years old, been doing laundry around 5-6 times every week and works still like new. The fridge is supposedly built by Liebherr. It feels really high quality: the door handle feels nice and locks the door properly. There are multiple different temperature areas that hold the temperature quite steady.

The dishwashers have certain tiers. I don't know if it makes sense to pay for the TwinDos detergent system: you can wash dishes without filling detergent. The detergent is proprietary and quite expensive. Sadly if you want to connect the dishwasher to your home assistant, that feature is only in the most expensive models. The door that opens automatically when the program is done is great though. You can do the eco program which is quite slow, but it spends the last hours just the door open, and in the morning you have clean and dry dishes with minimal water and energy use.

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inferiorhuman ◴[17 Nov 25 22:51 UTC] No.45959327[source]▶
Samsung is bottom tier across the board for white goods. If it uses fire, electricity, and/or water you're best looking elsewhere. There's plenty of room to buy something decent without having to pay the full price of Miele. I do love my "old" Miele stick vac tho.
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pimeys ◴[17 Nov 25 23:18 UTC] No.45959578[source]▶
It's not that much more expensive though. And the quality just feels better. If you love to spend time in kitchen, these small details make you appreciate the time even more.
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1. inferiorhuman ◴[18 Nov 25 02:12 UTC] No.45960634[source]▶
Yeah premium stuff feels nice, as it should given the price. In this case "not that much more" is somewhere north of a 50% premium over mid-range models from the leading brands. If you're cross shopping Samsung then the premium is much larger since they're constantly on deep discount due to their well earned reputation.

I paid $1,100 for my Bosch 500 series dishwasher a couple years ago. The current generation looks like it's on sale for as low as $800. Yale Appliance shows Miele dishwashers currently starting at $1,400. With that kind of premium it should feel better. And, yes, the Bosch feels super cheap.

Miele washing machines start at $1,600 about twice what an entry level LG would cost. While I would never buy an LG, they are generally well regarded in terms of actual washing performance.

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2. pimeys ◴[18 Nov 25 07:28 UTC] No.45962343[source]▶
We paid 1000€ for a Miele dishwasher, the cheapest model is 800€. You can get a Bosch for 500€ right now, but these are black Friday deals (the site says the original price is over 1300€, but I doubt they never sell them that expensive). Although they seem to be on sale quite often.

The Miele laundry machine was 700€ back in the days and the fridge 1400€.

So, it is not that much more expensive here in Germany.

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3. greenpresident ◴[18 Nov 25 11:55 UTC] No.45964054[source]▶
List prices are not real when it comes to the kitchen. They exist to be „limited time“-offered.
4. inferiorhuman ◴[18 Nov 25 15:23 UTC] No.45967449[source]▶
My fridge (AEG/Frigidaire) cost about $600. I miss a couple things about my older fridge, but the current one is significantly more efficient and still maintains (durable, easily repairable) mechanical controls. There's a zero percent chance I'd find $1,000 of value in a luxury refrigerator. And a nearly 100% chance that any out of warranty repairs will be more expensive with the Miele.

Sure, for a few thousand dollars more I could get a dual compressor Bosch. Or I could spend the money on pretty much anything else. Miele is sold as a luxury brand out here and while luxury white goods are nice they command a hefty premium.

I like my Miele old school stick vac, but it was made in China just like everything else these days… and I wince every time I have to buy bags and filters for it.