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jakewins ◴[] No.45955816[source]
Is anyone aware of good sources of higher resolution models? Hourly resolution like this model provides doesn’t help much now that energy markets have moved to 15-min and 5-min resolution.
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1. mlmonkey ◴[] No.45956840[source]
How does one use weather data in an energy market, if you don't mind my asking?
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2. bitdivision ◴[] No.45957258[source]
Seems like it would be pretty useful to forecast the supply of renewables (wind, solar, maybe some hydro).
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3. hackitup7 ◴[] No.45957360[source]
Temperature and weather can have a huge impact on power prices. Small examples:

* 90 degree day => more air conditioning usage => power goes up

* 70 degree sunny day => that's also July 4th (holiday, not a work day when factories or heavy industry are running) => lots of people go outside + it's a holiday => power consumption goes DOWN

* 10 degree difference colder/hotter => impacts resistance of power lines => impacts transmission congestion credits => impacts power prices

It's a fascinating industry. One power trading company that I consulted for had a meteorologist who was also a trader. They literally hired the dude from a news channel if I remember it correctly.

4. jakewins ◴[] No.45957556[source]
Yeah exactly like hackitup7 says, it has a huge impact on both sides of the supply and demand equation. It both drives house heating and cooling, which has a massive consumption impact, and it drives solar and wind production.

But knowing "there will be a massive drop in temperature between 1pm->2pm" doesn't help much anymore, you need to know which 15-minute or 5-minute block all those heat pumps will kick on in, to align with markets moving to 15-min and 5-min contracts.

Major forecasts like ECMWF don't have anything like that resolution; they model the planet at 3 hour time scale, with a 1 hour "reanalysis" model called ERA5.. hoping to find good info on what's available at higher resolution.

5. edbaskerville ◴[] No.45957596[source]
Indeed. In the not-too-distant future where renewables are the vast majority of generation (sooner in China than in the U.S. at current rates of progress), the weather matters more and more.
6. chess_buster ◴[] No.45963715[source]
it is indeed https://www.emsys-renewables.com/products/power_forecasts/wi...