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237 points jdkee | 9 comments | | HN request time: 1.511s | source | bottom
1. jrm4 ◴[] No.45948621[source]
Yeah, "MCP" felt like BS from jump. Basically it's the problem that will always be a problem, namely "AI stuff is non-deterministic."

If there was some certainty MCP could add to this equation that would perhaps be theoretically nice, but otherwise it's just .. parsing, a perhaps not "solved" problem, but one for which there's already ample solutions.

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2. chpatrick ◴[] No.45948883[source]
Why are they nondeterministic? You can use a fixed seed or temperature=0.
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3. datadrivenangel ◴[] No.45949709[source]
The whole point of "agentic AI" is that you don't have to rigorously test every potential interaction, which means that even a temperature zero model may behave unexpectedly, which is bad for security.
4. urbandw311er ◴[] No.45949732[source]
Even with zero temperature (and some of the latest models don’t allow that) you’re still not absolutely guaranteed deterministic output.
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6. ares623 ◴[] No.45951036{3}[source]
Just repeatable output.
7. chpatrick ◴[] No.45957887{3}[source]
What does deterministic mean in this case?
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8. jrm4 ◴[] No.45980900{4}[source]
Right, I'm using a perhaps loose definition of deterministic here, as in -- "With AI tools, you cannot 100% predict any output based on input, the way you can with most programming."
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9. chpatrick ◴[] No.45982862{5}[source]
It's also kind of an impossible request given that AI tools are for generic unpredictable input.