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You can't refuse to be scanned by ICE's facial recognition app, DHS document say

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574 points nh43215rgb | 5 comments | 01 Nov 25 08:58 UTC | HN request time: 0.861s | source
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hexbin010 ◴[01 Nov 25 13:30 UTC] No.45781498[source]▶
> “ICE officials have told us that an apparent biometric match by Mobile Fortify is a ‘definitive’ determination of a person’s status and that an ICE officer may ignore evidence of American citizenship—including a birth certificate—if the app says the person is an alien,”

This is "computer says no (not a citizen)". Which is horrifying

They've just created an app to justify what they were already doing right? And the argument will be "well it's a super complex app run by a very clever company so it can't be wrong"?

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bko[dead post] ◴[01 Nov 25 16:15 UTC] No.45782848[source]▶
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dpark ◴[01 Nov 25 16:19 UTC] No.45782894[source]▶
> If I was in the country legally I would want the best technology to confirm i am the person I say I am.

And do you believe that some secret ICE app is likely to be that best technology?

I have no reason to believe that ICE has any meaningful biometrics that would identify me as a citizen.

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1. verdverm ◴[01 Nov 25 17:25 UTC] No.45783479[source]▶
except that ICE is not using those documents, they are using an app and then claiming the documents to be false

ICE is operating outside the bounds of law and basic human decency

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2. lisbbb ◴[01 Nov 25 17:40 UTC] No.45783594[source]▶
I'm willing to give ICE a little extra leeway right now because of the dire situation we face in terms of losing our nation by being swamped with uncontrolled immigration. The previous Administration sure had a big plan that they were very successful at executing. The mass influx has ruined two school districts in my area--they have had to spend ridiculous amounts of money on interpreters, the quality of education has fallen, and our state keeps coming up with more ways to tax us into oblivion while pandering to people who aren't even citizens! It all needs to stop for at least 10 years. If not, we will probably hyperinflate the currency (and may do so anyways--the damage is largely already done). I very much resent the Maoist approach to "tear everything down in order to seize control" type of power play. It is obscene and inhumane and uses poor people as pawns in a gambit to amass total control. That is not "democracy" that is anti-democratic in every possible way. They have continually chipped away at a citizen's franchise here in the US and now we are being taxed and inflated to death.
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3. verdverm ◴[01 Nov 25 17:45 UTC] No.45783641[source]▶
Yes, blame immigrants for the problems our politicians created. Gold star reasoning

Immigration rates have not drastically shifted in the last 4 years from the 20+ prior, averaging 1M a year, or .3% of the population. Without immigration, we are below replacement rates

By leeway, do you include the beating people and excessive use of force, or should those agents face consequences?

4. dpark ◴[01 Nov 25 17:54 UTC] No.45783745[source]▶
How can you compare the use of this tech to the persecution of Chinese citizens in China but then say you’re “willing to give ICE a little extra leeway”?

“Yeah, I know this is terrible and inhumane, but like, my taxes are kind of high and I’ve got to blame someone. Immigrants seem like maybe they somehow caused all the problems as long as I don’t think about it very hard.”

Sure is weird that DHS claims two million illegal immigrants have left the United States this year but nothing seems to have gotten better yet. Probably just need more deportations. I bet that’ll fix everything.

5. fragmede ◴[02 Nov 25 10:31 UTC] No.45789283[source]▶
> dire situation we face in terms of losing our nation by being swamped with uncontrolled immigration.

This dire-ness, it's recent and not something that's been going on since forever? It's something that the last person messed up, and it's an emergency that only the new person can fix, and it's such an emergency that we need to give them powers that WILL later be used against you? It's that dire?