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paustint[dead post] ◴[] No.45767947[source]
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notepad0x90 ◴[] No.45768109[source]
What a deceptive thing to say. I don't doubt that you know very well that every US administration in the past 50 years agrees with what you said. The thing people don't like is goons dressed in military attire, and covering their faces zip-tying children, and US citizens, then disappearing them without trial or due process.

If they simply obtained warrants, arrested people, treated them with dignity, let them have a trial, and then deport them, then the only objection would be why $50B is being wasted on rounding up non-violent migrants, or why the business owners that hire them aren't in prison as well.

You can't claim that your goal is to enforce the law, and then find pesky little things like due process, and warrants inconvenient.

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15155 ◴[] No.45773041[source]
> $50B is being wasted on rounding up non-violent migrants

How many dollars did these "non-violent" (economic) "migrants" expend in emergency room resources?

How many productive citizens died (and how much financial loss was incurred) because of their (mis)use of these finite systems?

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notepad0x90 ◴[] No.45773191[source]
why are you asking me? shouldn't you be making the case for that instead?

Why are so many farmers relying on illegal immigrants? why are so many employers depending on them? You don't really think 11 million people are using emergency rooms while at the same time being criminals do you now? why are local pd's not concerned about this? why are cities with illegal migrants not worried about them? You don't really think people in cities would rather be victims of crime than deport illegal migrants do you? How are mayors being re-elected if they're not hard on illegal migrants but those migrants are causing crime?

Show me the economical analysis that shows they're a net-negative on the economy? Show me the hospitals complaining about emergency rooms packed with illegal migrants constantly needing ER care, because they're so clumsy? What is the crime and murder rate with illegal migrants compared to natural born citizens? Despite crime rates going down over the years, and the top causes of violent crime not involving illegal migration, why is $50B, a larger budget than the US marines! being focused on this?

I bet you'd have cheered for the rounding up of jews and slavs in europe ~80yrs ago lol.

I think your prejudice has won the battle against your critical thinking skills.

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1. notepad0x90 ◴[] No.45773526[source]
> Godwin - This is such a lazy argument (especially for someone harping on "critical thinking skills.")

It was a criticism of your character, not a argument in a debate, so Godwin's law doesn't apply here.

> $1 is too much.

$1 is too much because they're migrants, so spend $50B? but billions by natural born citizens isn't too much, so who cares about crime? The mental gymnastics! lol

> Comparing rounding up illegal economic migrants who are actively breaking long-standing (enacted decades before they were born) federal law for the purpose of economic gain to law-abiding Jews being taken from their homes during an act of genocide is unconscionable.

Not a good argument. there are no arrest warrants, trials, due process,etc.. afforded to these supposedly illegal migrants. plenty of cases where US citizens are being rounded up, beaten and disappeared as well.

There is a case in "aligator alcatraz" where 1200 people are missing without a trace for example. these are concentration camps.

I'm not disagreeing with deporting illegal migrants, so don't waste your breath on that. Justify to me why $50B is worth the investment. why is $1 too much when it is an illegal immigrant, but if your own child/family/friend was raped by crackhead it isn't worth $50B, because they were born in the US?

If you care about the law so much, why not spend that money in opening lots of immigration courts and training ICE to follow the law and do things lawfully instead? You're not for the law, you're for wasting money and racially profiling americans. In your view, american citizens being detained because of their phsyical appearance is ok. Children being treated in hospitals being deported is ok.

You crave the cruelty. You have abandoned your humanity in pursuit of cruelty towards your fellow man. I'm agreeing with you that deporting illegal migrants is fine, sanctuary cities shouldn't be a thing. lawfully removing illegal migrants is fine, yet your argument is to deprive people of due process (which all humans on US soil are afforded), and beyond that, committing of acts that no law can absolve your conscious of is still the way to go. And not only that, this brutality is worth spending more money on that even a military branch whose entire job is invading other countries. You're fine with masked soldiers kidnapping US citizens. You have betrayed your people.